How to get people to tank!

[ManuelBravo]

While making a job "edgy" and likable aesthetically sounds like it works, we all know it wont be enough to get the average DPS player to stick with the job. (Such as DRK)

What are you thinking? not to put you down but that is an insult to people who actually tank. Think about it this way:

Some people play tank roles actually understand the hardship and importance of that role. In most cases tanks have to put up with various factors, such as DPS getting power hungry and pull in advance. Thinking they can do a better job, yes even some vets. get ahead over their heads do to power. Some of us tanks have a golden rules, such as you accidentally get agro and pull we will tank, mistakes happen, you do it on purpose you tank. There is more to tanking that you seem not to be covering. Giving an inexperience tank some type of bonus is a set up to failure in the future. Some people are great at tanking and some just aren't up to the challenge as a main. on the other hand healers, as part of a factor...were to start.

Some healers still don't understand the basic concept of not healing while pulling, or casting regen during a pull. Makes tanking job harder specially on newbies and discourages. Some still don't understand that while we appreciate them DPSing their main job is to heal. Swapping cleric stance and being cautious is understandable, yet even now some DPS still don't know how to help tanks. If your over geared and take agro from tank, temp switch target while it gets re established. It's a simple yet basic rule and DPS still don't understand that. My main is a DPS, I tank second, and heal as needed. So I understand all 3 perspectives. What your proposing is to pretty much make tanking a joke that anyone can do. Not everyone can tank, it takes patience, strategy, and understanding the potential of the group. While your intention is well placed, It would be better to just get a more tank friendly job that perhaps sacrifices dmg for agro generation. A PLD is very easy to maintain hate, at level 60 can help heal, easy combos to follow. Now if you want something easier the only way it could be balance would be to be extra weak, easy agro generation and keep healer on their toes. I doubt however anyone would want to play that.

[Llus]

None of this has anything to do with why people dont tank how bout this if people just shut up , and stopped calling out tanks just because they are tanks then I think wed have more tanks. Its really bad in the 24 mans someone always has to say something always , the problem is , is that when you want to blame a run on someone you go for the tank or the healer, while those same people will level their tanks in potd are something and not even bring it into an instance. The problem with tanking is the community itself not what a tank can or can not do , its if someone is looking for enjoyment in the game its best to just play the dps with no responsibility.

What you'll often see in 24 man content are the tanks fighting each other for aggro (i've seen this less often, but it still happens) and on top of that ranged DPS not using quelling strikes (especially with DRKs) and ninjas putting smokescreen on the MT and putting shade walker on healers or other DPS specifically to troll tanks. Then everyone jumps down the MT's throat because they couldn't hold aggro through that.

[ManuelBravo]

None of this has anything to do with why people dont tank how bout this if people just shut up , and stopped calling out tanks just because they are tanks then I think wed have more tanks. Its really bad in the 24 mans someone always has to say something always , the problem is , is that when you want to blame a run on someone you go for the tank or the healer, while those same people will level their tanks in potd are something and not even bring it into an instance. The problem with tanking is the community itself not what a tank can or can not do , its if someone is looking for enjoyment in the game its best to just play the dps with no responsibility.

While I agree with you, DPS has responsibilities as well and some get the short end of the stick. DPS still don't know how to use their cool downs or even know were to stand. In raids as an example, people tend to forget DPS do have a role that is very important, to follow mechanics and watch their own agro bar. As a DRG I have to constantly use elusive jump to lower my hate generation. Some tanks however are at fault, yes they PoD a lot and have no experience, and also think that their gear at minimum will work. Some tanks are to blame as well in some runs, a very very low percentage.

[ManuelBravo]

What you'll often see in 24 man content are the tanks fighting each other for aggro (i've seen this less often, but it still happens) and on top of that ranged DPS not using quelling strikes (especially with DRKs) and ninjas putting smokescreen on the MT and putting shade walker on healers or other DPS specifically to troll tanks. Then everyone jumps down the MT's throat because they couldn't hold aggro through that.

That is very rare that I see that, normally in raids I have to take leadership do to slow runs. I use voice to txt at times to try and help people but depends on gear. If people fight for MT I just DPS and usually end up taking agro regardless. That is when I ask to take MT. It's all about communication and lets face it, during random raids there hardly is any.

[bswpayton]

While I agree with you, DPS has responsibilities as well and some get the short end of the stick. DPS still don't know how to use their cool .

Oh this is so true, whenever I switch to dps or heals I see this all the time, but what Im saying is in a group setting 9 times out of ten the blame for the run is gona go on the healer or the tank. This is my opinion of course but drk has some of the most amazing aesthetics in the game, and its complex if people like cool jobs everyone would want to be a drk its not an easy job to master like some dps jobs.

But the reason why I think people dont flock to drk is because it is a tank , and if you want to talk about numbers fell cleave has the highest potency attack in the game at 500 a skill test there would be to get off three cleaves in a row as much as possible. So its not exactly like tanks are boring, its just that more is expected from tanks and if you are playing a game just for fun you dont actually want to feel like you have a second job in game.

I mean think about it people will put up wit 20 or 30 min ques just to avoid the other two roles, a duty roulette can take up to 40 mins so for some its that important to avoid the trash talkers and such that youd spend an hour in a half just to do one dungeon. Now dont get me wrong I know people love their dps I love dragoon even tho Im pretty awful at it , but I see way to many people using potd as a means to level their tanks, only wanting to do runs with friends etc when they tank and this tells me that the community has something to do with this and it will never stop so thus its easier to avoid it.

[ManuelBravo]

Oh this is so true, whenever I switch to dps or heals I see this all the time, but

True I think it varies by server though for raids :/ 9/10 is pretty high from what I've experienced. Then again I'm Legacy so I may not see that too often.

[MagiusNecros]

In a perfect world Tanks would have more self sustain, attacks that close gaps or draw in enemies, and have attacks that cleave into multiple adjacent enemies at once. Until that time comes though Tanks will rely on boring 1-2-3 combo skill rotations, press cooldown button for defensive awesome, and overzealously pretend like their armor means something. Especially with 100% useful stats like Parry.

It's less about Tanking and more just playing a smoke and mirrors game of memory match.

[ManuelBravo]

In a perfect world Tanks would have more self sustain, attacks that close gaps or draw in enemies, and have attacks that cleave into multiple adjacent enemies at once. Until that time comes though Tanks will rely on boring 1-2-3 combo skill rotations, press cooldown button for defensive awesome, and overzealously pretend like their armor means something. Especially with 100% useful stats like Parry.

It's less about Tanking and more just playing a smoke and mirrors game of memory match.

They actually have more rotations and combos if you know the job properly and understand what can cancels what out from other jobs.

[MagiusNecros]

They actually have more rotations and combos if you know the job properly and understand what can cancels what out from other jobs.

Such as...?

[ManuelBravo]

Such as...?

I could go on a very detail process but will keep it simple.

Lets take DRK as an example I love it for speed runs and simple fast and don't really need to stick to 1,2,3 combo, here is what I use besides the obvious buffs active, Grit / Darkside , which by the way if you can't keep up dark side up 100% of the time you may be missing some rotations, I do the following;

Sprint>gather unmend>>>Unleash>>>foresight>>>abissial Drain>>>Blood price>>>Abyssal drain, dark arts>>>dark messenger>>>shadow skin>>> (rotate syphon / soul eater) shadow wall, by then blood prince usually add depending on your skill speed, rotate soul survivor, abyssal drain spam, you can keep dark side constantly up. and can keep rotating to what you prefer carve and split on CD ect. This is a basic and simple. as an example. There are various combinations for war and pld. DRk is a tricky one but once you master it others are all about timing and CD. But hey I only DRK/PLD/ and WAR on occasion. I'm sure there are more creative ones people just need to stop wining, be well geared, and check what other jobs can do. IF your able to understand what cancels what, and what boost what tanking is fun and is all about timing and strategy. This again is a simple example I use various ones depending on types of mobs and what I'm doing. I can go through each tank Job but don't have enough time and at work.