Is our sub fee not enought

[Seig345]

Except that FFXIV started as an all inclusive theme resort, and has now started seeming a bit more like a nickel and dime resort where the basic room and board are covered, but the extras that make a vacation are extra.

Honestly, I would prefer to see a modest sub increase, it's been steady for almost 4 years, inflation is still real, and I would prefer to pay up front instead of being nickel and dimed to death. There is a reason I and many others despise the F2P model. Seeing this whale hunting in a game with a strong subscription model is dissapointing.

One of the reasons I said the theme park comparison wasn't entirely 1:1 was, for example, the recent "Little Lady's Day" event. For roughly 30 minutes or less of effort, the game gives you vouchers for a 5 piece exclusive outfit and an emote. No cash shop tie-in or special extra purchases necessary outside of the game and subscription fee. Gettin' some free souvenirs there, but I guess maybe that could be tied into a limited time special or something.

Now, I see the kerfluffle are certain things like that /playdead emote where instead of there being an event for these, they were put straight into the shop. But I feel like the chicken/egg question with those is whether or not the devs would have created these straight-to-cash-shop items if there hadn't been a cash-shop to monetize the production time put into making them. We haven't suddenly stopped getting new outfits and emotes handed out to us for free* (*game price and subscription, yadda yadda), we still get those, in addition to these straight-to-shop items that I'm unsure if you can really prove whether these items would even have been created if SE had not plopped the cash shop down on the game.

Basically, you still get the same complimentary breakfast at the hotel, but now the hotel offers the option of a premium breakfast room service options for an additional fee.

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Honestly, I would prefer to see a modest sub increase, it's been steady for almost 4 years, inflation is still real, and I would prefer to pay up front instead of being nickel and dimed to death [...]

While I understand you want to just pay everything up front; not everyone cares about the extra items in the shop, so it would potentially cause a drop in subs if people saw their subscription fee go up for the sake of items they weren't even interested in to begin with.

Maybe they could introduce a premium subscription option for those who are interested in getting those additional items tied in without feeling nickel and dimed.

[Yonanja]

I'm just waiting for when the cashshop contains all the armors, and the dungeons and tomes just gets you some "stat slab" you put in your equippment slots. I wonder if all the pro-cashshop people would be ok with that? And let's put all other mounts except the chocobo on there as well while we're at it. Afterall, it's just cosmetic and completly unneccessary to play and enjoy the game.

Hyperbole of course, but I don't see such a scenario as being totaly unrealistic in the end.

[Grawbad]

They're the one assuming they already paid for everything. Exactly like the Disneyland comparison, these people would be surprised having to pay extra cash for food.

Their assumption of paying for everything comes directly from the fact that P2P games were always that way. Indeed it was one of the arguing points for P2P games over F2P and why it was worth it to pay per month.
The analogy for Disneyland is not a proper one because one always expects to pay for other things like food unless one paid extra for something that was ALL INCLUSIVE. Which is what P2P games once were.
A better analogy would be a product that you always bought that was all inclusive and later they decide to start selling things on top of it.
But again, I digress.
Your opinion on the matter is valid, the problem here is, so is theirs.

[Alleo]

Everything in this game is content. I love glamour, pets, mounts and I am not that interested in fighting or raids. Yet if I want a complete pet set (which I cant have anyway thanks to all these nice timed-exclusive real life stuff..) I have to pay money even after paying my sub. I am fine with features like name changing, Fantasia or world transfer. And I am also a bit okay with old seasonal stuff in there..(but the prices..) but I am not fine with getting more and more cash shop exclusive items because even though we dont have to buy it..if we want it, there is not other way than paying money. (I am kinda bad since I did buy mounts and pets from the cash shop..but if you are a collector its really getting hard..)

So if people are fine with those things being in the cash shop. Would you be fine too if they put the raid in there? Like if you want to raid you have to buy a DLC from the cash shop? I mean its content like mounts and pets are and its not done by a lot of people anyway. (And it must costs quite a lot to create it) Or would this be not fine because suddenly it would be something you want in the game?

And if somehow FF14 can only give us more inventory or housing or anything else if people buy from the cash shop..welp that can turn bad quite fast because this means that the subs themselves are not enough which means that if subs are going to drop or stay the same, we will see more and more items in the cash shop..but every customer has a line and the company should do quite well to not cross it because if they need the CS and people will just stop paying out of protest or even stop playing the game..well you will have a bad financial situation really fast. Never forget that without customers you will not earn money and in this times its probably not really easy to hold them.

[Zojha]

While I understand you want to just pay everything up front; not everyone cares about the extra items in the shop, so it would potentially cause a drop in subs if people saw their subscription fee go up for the sake of items they weren't even interested in to begin with.

Could we please apply the same logic to content like Savage Raids? Because as it stands, it's included in the subscription fees, despite not everyone being interested in them to begin with. Let's allow people to reduce their subscription fees if they don't care about that kind of content.

Actually, just make a bunch of boxes for content you can tick, then have the sub fee calculated automatically from that.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Reading this makes me feel dissapointed...

[Kaedan]

How exactly, does one barge into an argument on a public forum? I replied to a point you made, no offense, but why post if you are not interested in replies?

Because you didn't reply with anything relevant to the conversation. I agreed with you that the price is too high on the emotes (twice).

I was explaining how there's nothing wrong with or "pay to win" about selling cosmetics in the cash shop and having a subscription, and that we are not entitled to every asset created for the game just because we pay a sub.

[Jandor]

Boredom won out. So for a single character, you can own all cash shop items for a hair over $990!

For comparison, quickly adding all the items, pets and mounts I could see on WoW's store page came to roughly $388.

[Seig345]

Could we please apply the same logic to content like Savage Raids? Because as it stands, it's included in the subscription fees, despite not everyone being interested in them to begin with. Let's allow people to reduce their subscription fees if they don't care about that kind of content.

Actually, just make a bunch of boxes for content you can tick, then have the sub fee calculated automatically from that.

If you want to take the game's primary feature, online RPG combat/cooperatiob, and compare it to a dress and a wind-up doll, that's your prerogative.

[bswpayton]

I'm just waiting for when the cashshop contains all the armors, and the dungeons and tomes just gets you some "stat slab" you put in your equippment slots. I wonder if all the pro-cashshop people would be ok with that? And let's put all other mounts except the chocobo on there as well while we're at it. Afterall, it's just cosmetic and completly unneccessary to play and enjoy the game.

Hyperbole of course, but I don't see such a scenario as being totaly unrealistic in the end.

I wouldnt actually care we already have unsync and thats essentially like giving stuff away if you have the patience same difference.