Is our sub fee not enought

[Reinha]

Genuine question. Are the people opposed to the cash shop also opposed to digital collector's editions? For reference the Stormblood CE includes a mount, a glamour piece and a minion and costs 15€ on top of the expansion price. Exactly the same kind of things the cash shop offers. I was prepared to buy the CE but I think I can actually get some things I desire more for less money from the Mog Station.

What about bonus or promotion items that come with other products or services? I recall that buying plushies, magazines, SE games, Amazon purchases, streams, a statue and a soundtrack (and possibly other products) being the only way to obtain certain items or emotes in-game and more often than not they cost far more than anything in the Mog Store. Should these bundles exist or should the physical products be kept separate and all digital items be put in game for everyone to enjoy instead?

The argument I hear from a lot of people is that our sub already pays for all digital items. I'm just so confused why there seems to be an outrage about the Mog Station and not things like 30€ Caith Sith ears. Isn't it just as much of a cash grab? Personally I would like to have that item but I don't think it's that valuable. I think a lot of people had the same feeling when their only way to get the maid outfit was to buy expensive physical crap they have no use for.

So in short, my questions are

1) What separates all these other exclusive digital items from the Mog Station business? I'm looking for moral reasoning derived from the common premise that our sub should pay for all in-game items and emotes.
2) Why there is barely any outrage on exclusive bonus items and literally no outrage on CE items? This question is more about why people feel more strongly about some things than others even though they are very similar. (The link is a thread about wanting to obtain a bonus item separately for money, and no one pointed out it should be in-game for free.)

[Jandor]

Genuine question. Are the people opposed to the cash shop also opposed to digital collector's editions? For reference the Stormblood CE includes a mount, a glamour piece and a minion and costs 15€ on top of the expansion price.

I'd be more at ease with the mogshop if they stuck to a release schedule of '1 mount, 1 minion, 1 glamour for roughly €4 to €6 each' once every 2 or so years.

[Reynhart]

What about bonus or promotion items that come with other products or services?

Don't worry, these are even more absurd.
People complain that they have to pay a lot of money for a specific emote or minion...totally ignoring the fact that the money was for buying a book, an OST or a figurine...

After all of that, I think the real question is a little bit different : Is your sub not enough to have fun ?
If your answer is "No", then you only have you to blame.

[Endemerrin]

Whether or not the money generated from the mogstation goes directly back into XIV is entirely irrelevant. If XIV is generating more income, SE is going to be more willing to increase it's funding, bottom line. It doesn't get any more simple than that. If something is doing great financially, you're going to invest further to multiply those earnings. Just look at Stormblood - the budget was tripled over Heavensward.

Cash shop purchases directly influence that, as they net a lot of profit for SE. By purchasing from the mogstation, you are directly influencing the game moving forward in a positive way. Keep that in mind.

And of course, as has been mentioned countless times before, you don't have to buy anything from the cash shop. They already add a ton of content to the game in the monthly updates, one or two emotes every half year or so is a drop in the bucket compared to the actual content you get for paying your sub.

[Zojha]

If something is doing great financially, you're going to invest further to multiply those earnings.

Mhm...actually no.
This is the standard for those kinds of things:
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(Boston Consulting Group Matrix)

FFXIV mooost likely is currently being milked in favor of future stars - the whole triple budget thing still needs a reliable source.

[Endemerrin]

FFXIV mooost likely is currently being milked in favor of future stars

You're assuming FFXIV is a cash cow, though. I'd argue against that. XIV's profits have only being growing, and they even made specific note of XIV's success after Heavensward's launch.

It would make far more sense for them to reinvest further into FFXIV until a point where it's deemed that it's growth has plateaued.

[bswpayton]

Who leads ff 14 in subs and money wow does, Ive never played it Im not interested in it but the fact still remains its a cash cow, what do you expect FF 14 to be ok with just making profit to get by alone. This is a business mmos are competitive they compete with each other be thankful we arent free to play cause we very well could be let them make their money and stop complaining. Look at it as ff 14 is pepsi and it wants some the same profits as coke , thats all it really is them just tryin to have extra ways for them to profit this game cant stay small forever its to much competition out there so no the sub isnt enough because many other games have several other ways to make money so let this one do their thing geez.

[Felis]

Roleplaying.
Characters need to rest.
Resting includes lying down.
The base game lacks a standard emote in most mmorpgs.
The game is less fun to roleplay in if I cannot express my character in such a basic way.

/sit
/doze

playing death have nothing to do with resting. And you can still lying down on a bed.

We all know glamour is the true fun in this game so.....

I don't get it why are you people so willing to give SE more and more money ? oO

emote have nothing to do with glamour. Only with roleplay (if you want to roleplay a dead person).

[Reynhart]

/sit
/doze

/em is also RP's friend, since the game can't possibly include every idea roleplayers have to express themselves

[Zojha]

XIV's profits have only being growing [...]

XIV's profits or the profits from supporting merchandise (Cash shop, plushies etc)?

I mean, I lack official numbers as much as the next guy, but judging from the unofficial censi, we don't have a substantial growth in subscribers and consequently no growth in subscription revenue. If then profits are growing regardless, chances are they are coming from supporting merchandise and from a business perspective, SE would likely rather invest in that, while keeping the game itself on a maintenance budget solely intended to keep the people buying the extra stuff interested in the game, so they keep buying extra stuff. That's not an uncommon milking strategy. And this is the moment where every conspiracy theorist can let their confirmation bias run free, because now we can speculate whether SE actually has done that of late or not.

I'll leave that to others. To me, SE's strategy regarding FFXIV seems very cashcow-y right now, but hey, we can keep our fingers crossed I'm wrong!