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    Underdog2204's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    You don't "have" to play the game at all.

    However, you do have to pay to play the game. Just as you have to pay extra to get cash shop exclusives. This is not a free to play game.

    Blurring the line more and more is a great idea for SE if it brings in more profit, but consumers have no real reason at all to continue to encourage it as it devalues our subscriptions.
    No you don't have to play the game, but I know what I'm buying when I spend my money.

    I don't pay my sub and then complain afterwards I've paid it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    Wanting and needing are two very different things.
    Indeed - A "Need" is created from a "Want".

    Example: You "want" to live, therefore you "need" to sustain your body, as you can not live without sustaining your body. It's either both or neither. You may find the maintenance terribly annoying and would rather get rid of it, but you cannot, because it is "needed" to get your "want" - living. If you however do not want to live, you do not need to sustain your body anymore. It's a bit painful and chances are you "want" to not suffer, but that's a separate issue.
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Example: You "want" to live, therefore you "need" to sustain your body, as you can not live without sustaining your body.
    Wait...what ? How did we move from "buying a unnecessary virtual item for real money" to "the will to live" ?
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    Airget Lamh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    Yoiu don't "have" to get anything from the mogstation... I dunno where people get the idea they are forced to.

    Sure I don't like the fact there are things being added soley to the mogstation but it is no where near necessary to obtain them. Wanting and needing are two very different things.

    If you buy them then you really should be looking to yourself as the problem.
    Eh there is a line to cross though. I can understand putting "unique" pieces like Scion gear and Odin's mount as mog station items, since they want the rarity of those items to remain but to do the same with 2 playful emotes is a bit overkill. These two emotes should be obtainable through game and it's really disappointing that they chose to put them in the mog station.
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    Zara Diaspora
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    Yoiu don't "have" to get anything from the mogstation...
    You're right, so they play on peoples need for wanting something or those who need things to be complete. There were threads over the minions at one point. I'm sure there will be one for other things, having just looked at the mog station after a long time I see backflips and play dead.

    Someone is going to say "Take my money!" and..as long as people are willing to give money they will continue to do it. Not very common for people in all forms of business to give away something for free all the time that they could normally get paid for.

    This argument isn't new, but as long as you complain but pay money in any way it will fall on deaf ears after going up so far the business chain. Eventually it will go to "Sir, they're upset." "Are they not buying?" "no..we've sold a ton" "so..are they unsubbing?" "no..." "fail the see the problem."

    Personally, I think they should give the ones who pay a subscription a chance to gather the items, like they did for lightning. Though, to someone higher than the team working hard on this game sees it as wasted chance at getting money. For me though, if it wasn't part of the game I probably wouldn't have Snows attire.

    Anyways, it isn't going anywhere because it is encouraged in some way. Good luck to you all! Maybe they'll add in some things to the game to give you a chance!
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    Last edited by Leigaon; 02-28-2017 at 10:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    Yoiu don't "have" to get anything from the mogstation... I dunno where people get the idea they are forced to.
    Well basicaly, if you want to wear that dress

    you are forced to buy it in the Mog Station cause no way to obtain it IG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celef View Post
    Well basicaly, if you want to wear that dress

    you are forced to buy it in the Mog Station cause no way to obtain it IG
    Are you aware of what the words "forced" and "have to" mean?

    You are not forced to buy anything from the mog store. No one is holding a gun to your head to buy things. WANTING things in the mog store and DECIDING to purchase them because you like them enough to buy them is not being "forced".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Are you aware of what the words "forced" and "have to" mean?
    Do you?

    Here's a fun fact: You can only "force" somebody to do something by holding them at gunpoint if they "want" to live prior. If they want to die instead, you're not going to have any success with that method, they're happily gonna say:"No, eff you."

    In order for Need to arise, there has to be a prior "Want". IF you want X, THEN you need/have to/are forced to do Y, because Y is necessary to get X. If you don't want X in the first place, you can screw Y.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Do you?

    Here's a fun fact: You can only "force" somebody to do something by holding them at gunpoint if they "want" to live prior. If they want to die instead, you're not going to have any success with that method, they're happily gonna say:"No, eff you."

    In order for Need to arise, there has to be a prior "Want". IF you want X, THEN you need/have to/are forced to do Y, because Y is necessary to get X. If you don't want X in the first place, you can screw Y.
    What about the "why" behind your "want"? Why do you want that thing, and is there nothing else in the world that will help you achieve the same thing than those specific things you want at this moment in your life? There are things in life you can't change, and learning to adjust your own wants and expectations regarding the things you can't change is going to lead to far less frustration in life.

    Feel free to interpret that to mean you shouldn't complain about anything ever, though.
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    "Ul'dah can keep their dusty markets, and their streets paved in silver and gold.
    Limsa Lominsa keep your pirates, and your ships covered in musty mold.
    My loyalty lies with Gridania, with the Moogles and the tree spirits of old." -The Forky Conjurer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    Here's a fun fact: You can only "force" somebody to do something by holding them at gunpoint if they "want" to live prior. If they want to die instead, you're not going to have any success with that method, they're happily gonna say:"No, eff you."

    In order for Need to arise, there has to be a prior "Want". IF you want X, THEN you need/have to/are forced to do Y, because Y is necessary to get X. If you don't want X in the first place, you can screw Y.
    Absolutely incorrect.

    I don't want to work at one of my jobs... I have to. I need to.
    I don't want to eat healthy foods because there are other less or non-healthy foods I'd rather eat... but I have to. I need to for my health.

    There are many, many things that people don't want to do but they have to. They are forced to due to some consequence or another. You are not, in any way, forced to buy anything from the mogstation. If there is something that you want, then it's your conscious decision whether or not to buy it.
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