Is our sub fee not enought

[Nominous]

More money for the company goes towards a better game, in the end. It's not a preferable situation to have a Cash Shop, but it's certainly untenable (or at least far less tenable than with it) in the current gaming landscape. If you don't like the Cash Shop, then don't buy into it. Clearly enough people like it, because it's still here.

Keep in mind- Gaming has evolved, as all things do. To stay competitive, and profitable, you need to match competitors, or better. SE's just... well, operating as a business should. Can't really be helped.

[alimdia]

I don't think everyone would see it like that, that's RMT (just not third party RMT).

So are additional retainers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If additional retainers wont go away they should add a sub token.

[Kaurie]

The game practically have zero gil sink, and there are plenty of ppl that wants to trade their gil for mog station items, lets give gil some value by allowing us to convert it to crysta, this way both side can be happy.

The benefit is it creates an in-game market value for gametime. Whether that in-game market value is 20k gil or 2 million gil or 20 million gil is all up to supply and demand.

Having a sink isn't really a concern, as it doesn't put extra gil into the economy, it just shuffles it around.

[VanBeathoven]

In my opinion there should´nt be an item shop at all in an pay2play mmo
Everything should be obtainable ingame.
maybe a shop with Microtransactions, but when I see the prices from
the shop ...huehue

[Iromi]

In my opinion there should´nt be an item shop at all in an pay2play mmo
Everything should be obtainable ingame.
maybe a shop with Microtransactions, but when I see the prices from
the shop ...huehue

This. I thought this is what a P2P MMO is. You pay a sub and in turn get things via questing and grinding. If this is the way the subgenre is going I may as well just quit MMORPG all together. Can't stand F2P or B2P, seems like P2P is turning into all 3. No thank you. Guess it just makes quitting easier lol.

[Blackbird1]

I can understand putting past events items on mog station, but new emote/glamour/mount that goes straight to mogstation while not giving active sub a chance to obtain them in game is just pure greed, and whats even worst is that most item are solely single character, or if u have alt or future alt u will have to buy it again.

if you did the event for your main and alts back i nthe day then you dont need to buy most of the stuff also no ones holding a gun to your head telling you to buy them

[Shougun]

So are additional retainers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If additional retainers wont go away they should add a sub token.

It's (retainers) a bit more indirect (not by much lol), but I understand what you're saying. I 'd also add people are not really happy with that either though lol. Besides first fixing their houses, after that I would just say they should be careful on their pricing that it begins to feel like you should be buying gil via subs. It doesn't have to ruin a market (player gil generation is a bit different than third party generation, so the purchase of gil is more of a redistribution and because people buy gil with the express purpose to spend it.. you know it will be driven into the economy and most likely on a tax, so that part isn't the worst - of course being able to buy your in game power is the meh part but yeah lol). If they're sloppy it could make things be a bit derpy (like pricing things around this new found power, or not evaluating regular players gil generation ability). The whole RMT aspect is unavoidable by introduction though. I'm not really going to be okay with it if they suggested to add it; unless, I guess if they said "we're adding instanced housing (like WildStar or other examples of everyone gets one instanced housing, a true featured one not a gimped room) and revamping the system, money from this system will help us cover and improve~! Please look forward to it"..

Basically my table flipping would be abated if they could butter me up first - give me an ice cream cone, maybe a kupo nut, which I doubt they care to do but w.e just saying what'd annoy me less is if they go spend a bunch of money making a sexy system then say "we spent a boat load, so perhaps you can spend a boat load back at us!".

Unfortunately stuff is really expensive and business investors don't want to make small profit, so spending a lot of money.. you better be making money else where to justify it - I get that. I just hope they can be very thoughtful and careful. I hope every exclusive item they add is a painful discussion lol. Although again, they should consider adding crysta (that doesn't apply to purchasing your sub, so Mog Cash I guess) which would make a lot of the Mog Shop easier on people I think (they'd still be annoyed but the reality would be if you pay your sub you could earn any item that is available in the game through that sub, and nothing else, given enough patience at least - which would mean SE still gets purchases since not everyone has that).

[Stormrider]

More money for the company goes towards a better game, in the end. It's not a preferable situation to have a Cash Shop, but it's certainly untenable (or at least far less tenable than with it) in the current gaming landscape. If you don't like the Cash Shop, then don't buy into it. Clearly enough people like it, because it's still here.

For the content we receive some question if the money is not going else where. So SE floated 14 and paid to do the game twice. If we consider that a loan and X amount of revenue have to go back to cover that. Now we have operating costs X amount of revenue goes to that. Now we have system upgrade which was originally covered by the cash shop for EU. None of us know exact amount of money coming or going. It is just a feeling player base is putting way more back in then extras and past debts. Also remember NA servers are operating in Canada they may have possible tax breaks from province. I know Ubisoft Montreal gets quite a bit. The dollar is 75 cents US making operating costs in Canada also cheaper.

If they came out and said the new system upgrade is so amazing housing and inventory issues are a thing of the past. Then awesome it was money well spent and I might even buy something from the cash shop. But lack of movement and past failures over multiple years, from this current team. Has led a large part of the player base to be cynical.

[Kaedan]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having vanity options available in the cash shop, new or old. In fact, new is better because it incentivizes purchasing without breaking the game like Free to Play cash shops do.

Mounts and vanity items have been the purview of cash shops for a decade. It's not "unfair" or greedy just because you want something in them and don't feel like paying for it. Our subs do not entitle us every asset in the game.

[Iromi]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having vanity options available in the cash shop, new or old. In fact, new is better because it incentivizes purchasing without breaking the game like Free to Play cash shops do.

Mounts and vanity items have been the purview of cash shops for a decade. It's not "unfair" or greedy just because you want something in them and don't feel like paying for it. Our subs do not entitle us every asset in the game.

By your logic, they shouldn't sell extra retainer slots either... which is silly.

Haha..even in F2P MMO, extra stuff like inventory space is a one time buy. In this game they can get away with renting it monthly. Oh man..what a time to be alive for SE lol.