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[Kaedan]

There has been very little fear mongering in this thread. I suppose if you'd rather focus on a few comments instead of every other valid point, that's up to you.

I don't know what thread you're reading, but nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument.

But in regards to the cash shop being aesthetic always and forever, Yoshi has stated that they will most likely be introducing 'jump potions' into the mix sometime after Stormblood.

And? Nearly all major MMOs include a way to instant level after a few expansions. That's not a sign of "cash shop going bad".

[Skivvy]

I don't know what thread you're reading, but nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument.

Nearly every person you say?! Talk about hyperbole.

And? Nearly all major MMOs include a way to instant level after a few expansions. That's not a sign of "cash shop going bad".

Nearly all major MMOs do not include a subscription based model. The issue is that SE keeps pushing the limits of what the players will accept. People have defended the cash shop repeatedly as it's only cosmetic/fluff, no harm there, right? Now we're most likely going to get jump potions, and the line of "aesthetic items only" will have been crossed. Brave new waters! It will be interesting to see how the shop is handled moving forward.

[Zojha]

Now we're most likely going to get jump potions, and the line of "aesthetic items only" will have been crossed.

Implying it hasn't been crossed with paid retainers long ago. That's extra storage + sale slots + item procurement right there.

[Skivvy]

Implying it hasn't been crossed with paid retainers long ago. That's extra storage + sale slots + item procurement right there.

True! I forgot about those things :X

[Kaedan]

Nearly every person you say?! Talk about hyperbole.

Oh, so you like to argue dishonestly, I see.

I said nearly every person complaining about the cash shop has utilized fearmongering hyperbole in their responses at least once in this thread... which is a fact, not hyperbole.

Nearly all major MMOs do not include a subscription based model.

Completely irrelevant to whether or not they offer a level skip option. And besides, the main major competitor to FFXIV that also has a subscription offers it (WoW).

[Skivvy]

Oh, so you like to argue dishonestly, I see.

I said nearly every person complaining about the cash shop has utilized fearmongering hyperbole in their responses at least once in this thread... which is a fact, not hyperbole.

You either don't understand the meaning of hyperbole or fear mongering. Most responses in this thread have been just fine. Also, you changed the wording in your comment above. Minor, but it still lessens the effect.

Completely irrelevant to whether or not they offer a level skip option. And besides, the main major competitor to FFXIV that also has a subscription offers it (WoW).

And it is completely relevant. F2P/B2P and P2P games have completely different business models. If XIV is wanting to give the option for new players to skip MSQ, why not build that into the game? Instead, they're content to add it to the cash shop.

[Kaedan]

Most responses in this thread have been just fine. Also, you changed the wording in your comment above. Minor, but it still lessens the effect.

1) Again, I didn't say "nearly all the responses in this thread". I said nearly all the people complaining about the cash shop have used fearmongering hyperbole, which is a fact. There are several examples on the last 3 pages alone.

2) I didn't change the wording of anything. Stop lying in order to attempt to score "interwebz points".

And it is completely relevant. F2P/B2P and P2P games have completely different business models. If XIV is wanting to give the option for new players to skip MSQ, why not build that into the game? Instead, they're content to add it to the cash shop.

No, it is not. Whether a game has a level skip option is not at all relevant to whether it has a subscription or not. Zero relevance.

And just to hammer that point home for you a second time, the main major competitor to FFXIV which has a subscription (WoW) has level skip options purchasable in their cash shop along with mounts and plenty of other cosmetics.

[Skivvy]

CRAZY WALL OF CHAT AND QUOTES - AND NOT ON TOPIC
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This will absolutely be my last reply to you. Unless of course you make a really juicy reply. Sometimes I just can't help myself!

So my issues are the following - first you accuse me of being dishonest (which I wasn't), and then accuse me of lying (which I didn't). And then you go on about me just doing this for "interwebz points". Did I step on your puppy or something?

But anyway, lets go back to where this started, for fun of course.

You replied to my quote (which was not directed at you):

There has been very little fear mongering in this thread. I suppose if you'd rather focus on a few comments instead of every other valid point, that's up to you.

with this:

I don't know what thread you're reading, but nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument.

To which I replied:

Nearly every person you say?! Talk about hyperbole.

And for a breather, lets throw in the definition of Hyperbole.

Hyperbole
noun, Rhetoric.
1.
obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2.
an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”.

One might argue that stating "nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument." is quite an exaggeration meant to create a strong impression. The majority of posts have not delved into this despicable realm.

Let us continue!

So to my last comment above, I get this response:

Oh, so you like to argue dishonestly, I see.

I said nearly every person complaining about the cash shop has utilized fearmongering hyperbole in their responses at least once in this thread... which is a fact, not hyperbole.

So now you're implying I'm dishonest - not quite sure why.

So I reply:

You either don't understand the meaning of hyperbole or fear mongering. Most responses in this thread have been just fine. Also, you changed the wording in your comment above. Minor, but it still lessens the effect.

At this point, feel free to compare your two sentences. They are in fact worded slightly different, as I mentioned. Before you very adamantly stated that nearly everyone complaining was using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument. You changed that to "nearly every person complaining about the cash shop has utilized fearmongering hyperbole in their responses at least once in this thread?"

Minor, yes, but the first response implies that the fearmongering was relentless from nearly everyone who was complaining. Second sentence makes the comment slightly less extreme as we complainers only used fearmongering at least once in the thread.

OK, lets keep this memory train rolling.

My last comment did not sit well with you, and you had this to say:

1) Again, I didn't say "nearly all the responses in this thread". I said nearly all the people complaining about the cash shop have used fearmongering hyperbole, which is a fact. There are several examples on the last 3 pages alone.

2) I didn't change the wording of anything. Stop lying in order to attempt to score "interwebz points".

With #1 we're just arguing semantics now. Boring! But #2 - I like #2. You have now called me out for lying. Can you steer me in the right direction of my lies so that I may see where I went wrong?

Anyway, it's been interesting. Have yourself a delightful evening





Also, inb4 some silly dismissal because my boredom knows no bounds. Maybe next time just stick with the facts, then I wouldn't need to waste all my time correcting you. :X

[Kaedan]

One might argue that stating "nearly every person complaining about the cash shop is using fearmongering hyperbole as part of their argument." is quite an exaggeration meant to create a strong impression. The majority of posts have not delved into this despicable realm.

You would be factually incorrect. My statement can be demonstrated by actually reading the thread. If you actually take the time to read this thread and the replies by "those complaining about the cash shop", the vast majority of them contain fearmongering hyperbole. For example: "What's next, selling full sets of top ilvl armor?" "I bet Stormblood is going to have full blown gachapon." Those are just the tip of the ice burg.





Also, inb4 some silly dismissal because my boredom knows no bounds. Maybe next time just stick with the facts, then I wouldn't need to waste all my time correcting you. :X[/QUOTE]