Is our sub fee not enought

[Kaiden019]

Just about ever sub based MMO has an item shop. FFXIV is no different. If you don't like it, then don't buy.

[Arg0n]

It's so sad that this emote isn't available ingame and must be bought in mog-shop.

It's so cute on lalafells, but I don't want to support this kind of stuff anymore.
We pay monthly, it was fine with old event content, but this...

Just no SE, that was too much.

And it's not just "glamour". In this case they could add bonus-stats on gear in mog-shop too. It would be not essential for the content or clear the content.
Colors or the first mounts (like sleipnir) in mog-shop were only the beginning. After that they implemented glamour gear in mog-shop only, now emotes... Whats next? Maybe a new race like little miquote such as klhoe? Or different horns for auras? This would be just "glamour" too. is this fine for you?
Or new BiS gear for raids which are not needed to clear content?

Think about it...

[WeekendSoja]

You know what a subscription fee bought back in the day? It bought content that was tailored to people who had to dedicate 8-10 hours a day to get 1-2 levels, sparse events laid out sporadically, endgame content that needed 4-200 people to complete, no nerfs or buffs to classes and bosses once they were released, and no new content till the next expansion (If the game was even allowed an expansion by the investors.) This is what a sub fee got you back in the day.

FFXIV sub fee gets you easy leveling so as not to bog a person down with a long grind, events like crazy that give new emotes and gear, endgame content that is catered for all spectrum of players which only needs 1-8 people to complete, nerfs and buffs to classes, bosses, and instances on a scheduled patch basis, new "growing" content on a constant schedule. That's what you sub fee pays for.

All the cash shop stuff, if you really want it you can get it, you just gotta buy it lol. Why should SE make everything free when games in the past did less and charged a sub fee for almost the exact same price? They day I start complaining about the cash shop is the day where it actually impacts my game play where buffs that should have been meant for the patch was put in the cash shop like "Fist of Fire damage increase to 15%." That's when people should get annoyed lol but to get annoyed at not getting a ton of emotes and glamour for free is a little petty in comparison to what the game actually gives to us. This comparison to what sub fees, past and present got us is just a reminder that we could be playing something vastly different and underwhelming.

[seraf]

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They aren't going to add gear with actual stats that matter and they've specifically stated items on Mogstation are going to be for Glamour. If you want to be super nitpicky then yes there is an actual set or two of Glamour gear that grants an exp bonus but there are plenty of in-game items available that do this same thing.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...em/d08c0b6c6f4

[Roda]

It boggles my mind how anyone can think anything in this game could be considered "free.". 15 dollars a month plus now three box prices, more if you play on multiple systems. That is in no way free. You can argue subjective values until you're blue in the face, but nothing about ffxiv is free.

[Skivvy]

It boggles my mind how anyone can think anything in this game could be considered "free.". 15 dollars a month plus now three box prices, more if you play on multiple systems. That is in no way free. You can argue subjective values until you're blue in the face, but nothing about ffxiv is free.

I think you've missed the point. No one thinks XIV if free to play. What people are debating is whether all items should be included in that subscription fee vs. having a cash shop. Thought this was fairly obvious :X

[Roda]

I think you've missed the point. No one thinks XIV if free to play. What people are debating is whether all items should be included in that subscription fee vs. having a cash shop. Thought this was fairly obvious :X

I'd interpret it that way if people weren't using the word "free.". Free items and content are different than items and content provided by our sub. A welcome back campaign with an open access weekend is free. A seasonal event with rewards is covered by our sub. If people don't mean "free" then don't say the content is free.

[Skivvy]

For comparison, quickly adding all the items, pets and mounts I could see on WoW's store page came to roughly $388.

WoW! (heehhe) That is a pretty massive difference. Kudos to XIV for beating WoW in something I suppose. :X

[Kaiden019]

Gotta love the fear mongering in these threads. "Soon it will be armor and dungeons!" No it won't. Everything on the cash shop has been for aesthetic purposes and always will be.

[WeekendSoja]

I'd interpret it that way if people weren't using the word "free.". Free items and content are different than items and content provided by our sub. A welcome back campaign with an open access weekend is free. A seasonal event with rewards is covered by our sub. If people don't mean "free" then don't say the content is free.

With people asking for purchasable items on the mogstation to be provided to them with no such fee, pretty sure that is an apt definition of "free", especially since in the history of MMO's SE has more than substantially overcompensated us for the subscription fee we are currently paying. In my example above, those MMO's also had box prices attached to them, they didn't have multi-platform accessibility back than but if they did they would have charged per platform access, that's just business lol.

I still stand by my example of past and present pay structures above, FF14 could simply get rid of the cash shop and people would just find something else to gripe about, like the lack of glamour options and emotes, but than I would just be here laughing my ass off if that were to be the case.