Is our sub fee not enought

[ErikMynhier]

Are you aware of what the words "forced" and "have to" mean?

You are not forced to buy anything from the mog store. No one is holding a gun to your head to buy things. WANTING things in the mog store and DECIDING to purchase them because you like them enough to buy them is not being "forced".

Like Amma always said. "If you can't have what you want, change your wants." People these days are so spoiled by instant gratification they no longer can tell the difference between "want" and "need" so they treat both ideas the same.

If they said "you can only eat raid XYZ with this item from our cash shop", sure I could get the argument. People getting all enraged over glamour items and fun stuff being CS only so the company can turn a profit, I just think that's incredibly entitled, spoiled, and first-world.

[Alleo]

If they said "you can only eat raid XYZ with this item from our cash shop", sure I could get the argument. People getting all enraged over glamour items and fun stuff being CS only so the company can turn a profit, I just think that's incredibly entitled, spoiled, and first-world.

And why exactly is a raid item in the cash shop much different than emotes, mounts or pets? Why does only the raid point deserve enrage? All of them are content..I dont care for raids for example, lots of people dont care for raids since only a really small amount of people clear it anyway. Yet it costs a lot of money and time to create. (Bosses, equipment and so on) The majority of people in this game are probably casual, care for pets, glamour and other parts and thus it would probably only hit a small amount of people if they would do that. Why are those small numbers of people more entitled to have their raid ingame? They dont need the raid to play this game. Crying about this eventhough the company would earn money from that which would be better for their costs of creating such content and at the same time might leave more time and money to create more content for the majority of the players..well quite spoiled I would say.

See you can turn every argument around. Some people need to understand that glamour is content too..Ex primals are run a lot of times because of the mounts that drop or because you can create some nice items from the drops. Without the glamour and mount as an incentive people would not run these old primals the same way they do with them..so all these glamour items are really important to keep content active. Barely anyone would run Garuda ex if there is nothing behind the first win. All these pets, mounts and glamour could have been put into the game. They could have been used to keep older content alive or even create new content.

Yes nobody is truly forced to buy something, but in this way wouldn't it be completely acceptable if they put every new glamour in there and only get us re-skinned new equipment in the game? Since you dont need glamour to beat a dungeon.

[Skivvy]

If they said "you can only eat raid XYZ with this item from our cash shop", sure I could get the argument. People getting all enraged over glamour items and fun stuff being CS only so the company can turn a profit, I just think that's incredibly entitled, spoiled, and first-world.

A good amount of players have had a past experience with WoW and XI. The reason why we may expect our subscription fee to be all-inclusive, is because until very recently, this is the experience that a lot of us have had with a subscription game. I come from XI, started back in 2004 (and I do still play from time to time). They didn't have a cash shop, and your items were all obtained from in game events or patches.

Now let's move on to WoW. The big one! This is what XIV is constantly being compared to. They didn't introduce their cash shop until 2013. 9 years is a lot of time for someone to get used to having their subscription cover all available items.

Now we're in the golden era of DLC. Content creators know that people will happily pay additional money for things that would have (probably) been included in the past. It's quite sad, but hey, can't really fault them for jumping on that band wagon. Companies like to turn a profit. However, when it comes to a subscription game having a cash shop, you're obviously going to run into opposition. Especially when this was not common until only a few years back.

It's new territory for SE and their MMOs, and it should be handled more gingerly than it has been. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the items in WoW's cash shop can be purchased in full for a bit under $400. XIV's cash shop would cost you just under $1,000. We have a huge amount of items in the shop, a fair amount of them exclusive to shop-only, and the prices are obscene. If this was a F2P game, that would be fine. However, this is the cash shop for a game that we already pay monthly for.

The cash shop is not going anywhere, of course, but they could definitely implement a few changes to make it seem like less of a straight cash-grab.

[Parisstilton]

Agreed. Speaking as a fairly new player who left a free to play mmo because I was fed up of feeling like I was constantly being forced to put my hands in my pocket, I have to say this behaviour is less than encouraging. I understand (and in some cases I'm grateful for) the chance to buy stuff from past events but putting brand new stuff in without a chance to get it for free in game? Well that feels like SE are laughing at me all the way to the bank

[Underdog2204]

Agreed. Speaking as a fairly new player who left a free to play mmo because I was fed up of feeling like I was constantly being forced to put my hands in my pocket

There it is again... Talk about hyperbole.

[Parisstilton]

There it is again... Talk about hyperbole.

Excuse me but I never said that SE were forcing me to put my hand in my pocket. I said that about the old mmo. Which also incidentally started with items you didn't need and ended up making content so mind numbingly grindy then putting quick fixes for it in the store.I said was I was happy to have stuff no longer available there but new stuff should at least have a chance to be got in game somehow even if it's for a limited event. After all isn't that part of the reason to play the game to earn the stuff you want?

[Underdog2204]

Excuse me but I never said that SE were forcing me to put my hand in my pocket. What I said was I was happy to have stuff no longer available there but new stuff should at least have a chance to be got in game somehow even if it's for a limited event.

Not in those words, that was the implication.

You "feel" like you a being "forced" to like getting stuff in a F2P game that can offer very real character boost's and gear for a price.

If people contiune to buy them then full credit for making money (you know like businesses should) as the consumer is enfocing it.

[Parisstilton]

Not in those words, that was the implication.

You "feel" like you a being "forced" to like getting stuff in a F2P game that can offer very real character boost's and gear for a price.

If people contiune to buy them then full credit for making money (you know like businesses should) as the consumer is enfocing it.

Well now you mentioned it aren't they planning to do just that soon? Jump potions and job leveling? Like I said I never meant to imply that SE were forcing me yet. Just that I really hope they don't start down that road.

[Reaperking386]

This thread again...

[Mwynn]

This thread again...

They have a Point tho, a lot of Stuff is getting implemented on the Mog Station and a Emote for 7$ is well quite insane one could say.

First Retainers that you have to pay Monthly for even if you just want more Slots for stuff to sell nor Inventory and ya, they suddenly create new Stuff and instant put it on the Mog Station.

Stuff like that should be implemented into the Game asap without requiring to pay Money for it.