Is our sub fee not enought

[Jandor]

Well.. the developers have only said it will never have p2w items. They never promised anything else.

Yeah, but, they're planning to sell experience points for money soon. I consider that p2w, you might not and that's fair enough but hopefully we can all agree we're rapidly leaving a small shop with only minor cosmetic stuff in it way behind.

[Kit-Kat]

Does anyone remember the outrage that happened when they started all this when they made their first shop exclusive with Sleipnir mount? Lots of complaints while poeple said it was fine, just 'optional'. We warned this would happen. Accepting their very first item would only lead to more and more exclusive items for cash shop which is dumb in a sub game. For everyone saying you're not forced to buy buy these optionals items, do you realize a lot of people play to collect these and marketing takes adventage of this? I believe it has become an internet meme by now comparing how old games vs new ones are, but it's true. This is the lazy way of implementing items instead of making them rewards for actual content. Imagine going to a restaurant, which you're going on your own without anyone pointing a gun at you, then you saw this fancy ad about food you really like and they offer such food so you decide to go there. The restaurant has entrance fee and once inside you can eat whatever, but then when you're eating that dish that goes with some sauce, they tell you to pay extra for that sauce but it's fine because it's optional, right?

[Reinha]

The restaurant has entrance fee and once inside you can eat whatever, but then when you're eating that dish that goes with some sauce, they tell you to pay extra for that sauce but it's fine because it's optional, right?

Lol there are restaurants like that. Pay for a buffet and you get to have all the salad, pizza, soup, chicken wings and fizzy juice you want. Ice cream, coffee and pie costs extra. You get to leave with a full stomach in any case but you have to pay extra for some flavors. There are also a lot of buffets where you eat anything but you pay for drinks that aren't water.

[Kit-Kat]

Lol there are restaurants like that. Pay for a buffet and you get to have all the salad, pizza, soup, chicken wings and fizzy juice you want. Ice cream, coffee and pie costs extra. You get to leave with a full stomach in any case but you have to pay extra for some flavors. There are also a lot of buffets where you eat anything but you pay for drinks that aren't water.

Do they add hose prices for extra stuff once you're inside after you paid though or were they already advertised? :]

[Reinha]

Do they add hose prices for extra stuff once you're inside after you paid though or were they already advertised? :]

It's clearly priced and defined in the menu at the entrance. Just like mog station items are clearly priced on the page and what the sub fee gets you is clearly defined in the agreement we all sign. Despite what you insinuate the agreement has never said SE is bound to deliver everything they create for just the sub fee. Hence the extra cost on the CE items, early access items, merchandise bonus items, Fan Fest items and Mog Station items (which are all the same thing btw so logically you should oppose all or none of them). It's nothing but wishful thinking to assume those cosmetic things come with the sub. It's like going to said restaurants, ordering your buffet meal and then complaining how it's "bad business" that you don't get dessert along with it even though you knew precisely what you were getting.

[Tsunenori]

I don't have a problem with selling emotes, but I think the value proposition is skewed a bit. $7 per emote per character is already kinda jank, and in one case you're selling an animation that already exists in the game to begin with. It's kind of like asking people to pay $5 or whatever the cost is for really bad event wallpapers. People won't pay that much for a mobile game if it looks crummy, but for some reason the value gets shifted around here.

Ultimately you're asking for around half or over half of someone's monthly subscription fee here, yeah, it's "optional" and "glamour" and "doesn't affect anything" but I can't help but feel as a player that for $7 I'm not getting my money's worth (even though that's the price of a lunch or something), and I say this as someone who buys Hearthstone packs which makes it feel even more bizarre. You'd probably get a few more people begrudgingly buying if it was account-wide at least.

I'd like to see emotes and other fun one-off things appear in game first before being shoveled off to the MogStation for sale personally. These could have been veteran rewards, or a fun side quest where you teach people to play dead in case of bear attacks, or whatever else.

[Zanarchy]

You're offering even less than the empty complaints some other people are making, and on top of that you're copy/pasting this in multiple threads. Last I checked this is a forum for discussion, and that's what people are doing. Or have you forgotten that this game exists today because of the feedback that players provide?

Feel free to troll other threads if these bother you so much.

You're right, i should try to troll another thread cuz this one is definitively not, just a party with salty player complaining about something ridiculous

French people suck at trolling even more than they suck at the game .

But actually ingame, if we compare achievement, things done : me > you. Does that mean you suck more than someone like me ?

[Jandor]

But actually ingame, if we compare achievement, things done : me > you. Does that mean you suck more than someone like me ?

Not if you got carried .

[VeliusVire]

I don't really understand the forums, you guys always whine and moan to have already existing content added into the game and usable my players, half the questions at Q&As are the want of outfits/emotes that you'll only use once or twice, be it original or pre-existing. So why is when they do as requested, you all leap and grunt like rampant gorillas because of the pricing? You /know/ it's going to be expensive, you /know/ 99% of the time it's tweaked assets already in the game. There's a phrase in the creative media community, "Speak with your wallet", if people /don't/ buy the expensive items over an extended period of time, then either the price goes down or Cash Shop items stop. If you all keep buying, well then, you can fill in the rest, adieu.

[Misutoraru]

i think if it was past event item, it can go into mog station, but it should be able to obtain in future event too
i remember the very early moonfire faires, you could obtain last year event item
what i suggest, event item can go straight into mog station, and next year event,
so it will be you miss it? either pay for it or wait for next year event, I think it would be fair enough