[Dev suggestion] More strict stat checks when entering duty finer/tutorial tests

[Ama_Hamada]

Without any buffs of any kind, including a sect, my 244 AST with a 210 weapon heals for 4,290 with Benefic, which has a 2.33 second recast time. That's 1,841 hps. That means that over an 8 minute period it will do about 884k healing with just Benefic, even if I have no buffs of any kind. In that context, 400k damage over 8 minutes does not seem impressive or even the least bit worrisome. I imagine it's still more than many tanks take, so you might not get to DPS as much or perhaps at all, but this doesn't seem like some sort of nerve wracking experience.

That is not how it works.. but ok i guess?

You are assuming you just stand there in one place, healing one person at a constant rate, nothing in the game works like this. there is spike damage and everyone was taking such hits because things did not die fast enough and the PLD was just using hallowed ground randomly. it was 931k total btw

You are right on one thing though, this party made my friend unable to do any kind of dps.

You go in sohm al hard with max pull sizes and slow dps in that healing gear and see how well that works out for you. A healer shouldn't be on a constant healing rotation unable to do anything else in an expert dungeon, consistently worrying about "will this heal go off in time so we do not wipe"

[Nixxe]

That is not how it works.. but ok i guess?

You are assuming you just stand there in one place, healing one person at a constant rate, nothing in the game works like this. there is spike damage and everyone was taking such hits because things did not die fast enough and the PLD was just using hallowed ground randomly. it was 931k total btw

You are right on one thing though, this party made my friend unable to do any kind of dps.

You go in sohm al hard with max pull sizes and slow dps in that healing gear and see how well that works out for you. A healer shouldn't be on a constant healing rotation unable to do anything else in an expert dungeon, consistently worrying about "will this heal go off in time so we do not wipe"

Yes, I assumed constant healing, but I also assumed zero buffs, even self buffs, and no use of any abilities other than the smallest single target heal, no Sect, no Benefic II, no Bole, no Aspected Benefic, no nothing. Even in doing so, the healing required was less than half of the potential output. You now say that the damage you stated originally is less than half of the actual damage. I don't know if this is just an updated figure for the tank or the total damage to the entire group, given that it's such a drastically different number. In either case, I am quite confident that it is a healing requirement that can be met, even if it might get a bit sketchy. Besides, the healer can basically just stand still the entire run in both Sohm Al and Baelsar's Wall. There is a minimal amount of movement required for either instance, except for maybe the Griffin or if you're really unlucky with targeted abilities, so I don't think it's an unfair assumption. I specifically left out everything that could be done to increase your healing to compensate for that though.

Look, I am probably mediocre at best. Even still, I have simply never found a dungeon group I couldn't work with or one that really required me to stress out about stuff. So I find it a little hard to believe that there's some huge problem out there that requires a systemic resolution of the type you're proposing, when in reality I think it would be much simpler if you took a few deep breaths, perhaps lowered your expectations a bit, and just work with what you got. If it's really that bad, you can always leave the group and try again later.

[Ama_Hamada]

Yes, I assumed constant healing, but I also assumed zero buffs, even self buffs, and no use of any abilities other than the smallest single target heal, no Sect, no Benefic II, no Bole, no Aspected Benefic, no nothing. Even in doing so, the healing required was less than half of the potential output. You now say that the damage you stated originally is less than half of the actual damage. I don't know if this is just an updated figure for the tank or the total damage to the entire group, given that it's such a drasticallydifferent number. In either case, I am quite confident that it is a healing requirement that can be met, even if it might get a bit sketchy. Besides, the healer can basically just stand still the entire run in both Sohm Al and Baelsar's Wall. There is a minimal amount of movement required for either instance, except for maybe the Griffin or if you're really unlucky with targeted abilities, so I don't think it's an unfair assumption. I specifically left out everything that could be done to increase your healing to compensate for that though.

Look, I am probably mediocre at best. Even still, I have simply never found a dungeon group I couldn't work with or one that really required me to stress out about stuff. So I find it a little hard to believe that there's some huge problem out there that requires a systemic resolution of the type you're proposing, when in reality I think it would be much simpler if you took a few deep breaths, perhaps lowered your expectations a bit, and just work with what you got. If it's really that bad, you can always leave the group and try again later.

You are issuing the point! it has nothing to do with YOUR ability to heal, but other people! This thread is not a thread in saying AST lacks healing power. It is a thread about DPS and others bypassing the level requirement to enter by using gear they should not be using and lacking knowledge to do rotations. If stuff is kept alive on mega pulls for too long you have to heal too much. Also I thought it was clear what i was talking about, the PLD alone took 400k damage, the total healing was 914k because there is 3 other people to heal besides the PLD? if the PLD is raining consonant damage, while the other 2 are getting hurt here and there, you do not have enough time to single heal people and you have to use the weaker AOE. This becomes stressful because then your praying the cure goes off before you wipe.

I really do not know what your objective is, but the point is people bring gear to DFs that they should not be using, while lacking skill because it is too easy to get though the game, stressing healers and others to carry. So this is what the thread is about, not how easy it is healing people in expert that know what they are doing in 270 gear letting EoS do all the work.

You can try question all you wait on how my friend shouldn't be stressed but it happened, and it took her 1 hour to calm down after. rotation tutorials are NEEDED

[Slevin_Impudicus]

"[Dev suggestion] More strict stat checks when entering duty finer/tutorial tests
Notice I said stat checks, not gear level. It is too easy to bypass the gear level requirement." (from the opening post)

You started completely off base with your dev suggestion. At least you are starting to get to the real problems (manipulated iLvl avg, rotations, DPS taking avoidable damage). BRD using Det is not one of those problems (not even close).
Sort of sounds like mismanaged pulls to be honest (tank not adapting to the dmg output of the party). Healer is usually the one person the tank asks about bigger pulls. Next time maybe your friend can ask the tank to back off a bit on the "mega pulls" if the healing required is overwhelming her.

Maybe if the Devs introduced an out of combat heavy effect for the tank that was based on healer MP level... (joking, but sort of not).