[Dev suggestion] More strict stat checks when entering duty finer/tutorial tests

[Nestama]

As a fun fact, I can enter The Creator with a Replica Relic weapon (this is Level 50, i50 and has 13 VIT and 13 INT. It has no secondary stats). With the current gear I have on + the Replica, it drops me down to i231, which is enough for me to enter The Creator. With a little more i270 pieces, I could probably enter Sophia EX/Expert Roulette.

[Rokke]

So a BRD was bad and they should be given gear with better stats because they're bad (?) so your friend/other healers don't have to worry about healing them (?).

I agree with that other thread about making a weapon weighted more heavily in the ilv, but I'm a little lost here.

[Ama_Hamada]

Just before maintanence, needed to do one last DR:Expert.

The DRG in the party was red dotting / dc'ing while in the first cutscene so scoped out their gear.They had a whole tonne of 260/270 stuff, both left and right side but their weapon was a.... True Ice Spear!

As in, the i110 lvl 50 Shiva weapon..

At level 60.
In a DR:Ex....

I mean.... This was a mistake right? Surely they were just trying on some glamour before they entered and they were going to switch when we started the dungeon...
Honestly won't know because they D/c'd after 5-10 mins of being stuck in the little force field thingy at the start so we couldn't finish our DR:Ex anyway.

As far as a stat check is concerned - I think there should be a "minimum weapon iLvl" check as well.. Weapon damage just accounts for far too much, regardless what role you are playing.
If you're a DPS, your damage is rubbish.
If you're a Tank, you can't hold hate.
If you're a Healer, your heals do very little and your nukes hit like a wet noodle.

You shouldn't be able to inflate your iLvl passed the DF if your weapon is trash because it just means too much.

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As far as actual substats - I don't think that is necessary.. Though I can see a main-stat check considering as a DPS you can toss on a whole bunch 270 of Mind or Vit accessories just to inflate your iLvl.

I did say weapon too in the first post. If my friend tells me a brd needs 630 skill speed or the dots are really bad, then there needs secondary total stats. Unless SE gets rid of accuracy making people have no choice in the matter on how the secondaries are disrupted

So a BRD was bad and they should be given gear with better stats because they're bad (?) so your friend/other healers don't have to worry about healing them (?).

I agree with that other thread about making a weapon weighted more heavily in the ilv, but I'm a little lost here.

No that is not what i am saying. I do not even know where you got that idea.

Because skill speed is so important to BRD, BRD gear is split between what is good for BRD and what is good for MCH. Also in general, accuracy sub stat makes how to gear so limited to begin with with the amount of gear we are given to pick from. Since you are basically dividing this because MCH and BRD are 2 different sets, there is little room to show people that do not look up weighs on what is good for them.

So to fix this one or more of the following should happen:
Split BRD and MCH gear, as in 2 different jobs, MNK and MCH do not wear the same thing, it is no different then making MCH have shared gear with BRD.
Get rid of accuracy. it makes it too hard to gear with our limited picks.
Balance the sub stats so it matters less.

Speaking as a white mage main, it's duty finder. You roll with what you get or you leave and try again. Might have to take a penalty if they won't kick you, but that's the risk you take.

There shouldn't be a "risk" the game should not allow it to begin with. Also this is not an option before a maint.

[Rokke]

So to fix this one or more of the following should happen:
Split BRD and MCH gear.
Get rid of accuracy. it makes it too hard to gear with our limited picks.
Balance the sub stats so it matters less.

The jump between the 1st paragraph (bads in roulette cause stress) and 2nd paragraph (less stat combos + remove acc + more stress talk + tutorial for level jumpers) is what lost me. I get you now.

You are correct that the two prioritize sifferent secondaries. I imagine as it stands, BRD/MCH share gear to keep inventory bloat (slightly) smaller. Splitting them would make my MCH gear more specialized, but I am not sure how much it would help healers suffering through bad players in DF. Gear will only carry someone so far.

[Underdog2204]

The jump between the 1st paragraph (bads in roulette cause stress) and 2nd paragraph (less stat combos + remove acc + more stress talk + tutorial for level jumpers) is what lost me. I get you now.

You are correct that the two prioritize sifferent secondaries. I imagine as it stands, BRD/MCH share gear to keep inventory bloat (slightly) smaller. Splitting them would make my MCH gear more specialized, but I am not sure how much it would help healers suffering through bad players in DF. Gear will only carry someone so far.

Whilst I agreee it's still irritating to have two classes sharing gear that rely on different stats.

It's like having DRG and MNK sharing gear... :'(

[RaijinSupreme]

Someone who doesn't like the fact that you will get bad players in DF should open a school for all the bad players to attend so they can be better. The bad players will not be able to use DF unless they have at least a B average, and get all required credits to graduate.

So when you roll a DF, you can make sure they aren't bad.

Which one of you guys gonna do it?

[Nestama]

Someone who doesn't like the fact that you will get bad players in DF should open a school for all the bad players to attend so they can be better. The bad players will not be able to use DF unless they have at least a B average, and get all required credits to graduate.

So when you roll a DF, you can make sure they aren't bad.

Which one of you guys gonna do it?

If I see a BLM using only Tier III spells (spamming Fire III and then spamming Blizzard III), I'll inform them that that rotation is not good and that casting Fire is better (or using Enochian and Fire IV in a F4x2, Fire, F4x2, B3, B4 rotation if in L60 content). If they ignore my advice, I'll bring it up again. If they ignore it again, or get rude about it, then I (try to) kick them.

You mean like this? or is asking someone to try and do better bad?

[Ama_Hamada]

The jump between the 1st paragraph (bads in roulette cause stress) and 2nd paragraph (less stat combos + remove acc + more stress talk + tutorial for level jumpers) is what lost me. I get you now.

You are correct that the two prioritize sifferent secondaries. I imagine as it stands, BRD/MCH share gear to keep inventory bloat (slightly) smaller. Splitting them would make my MCH gear more specialized, but I am not sure how much it would help healers suffering through bad players in DF. Gear will only carry someone so far.

I get that, I really do, but when you have a brd gearing crit/det, it is not helping matters.

The easiest way to not get stressed out in Duty Finder is simply to not stress out about Duty Finder. Water off a duck's back, man. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.

You try doing an expert while having 1800 hps or wipe, on AST!!!! , AST is not fit for that kind of thing at all, she had to singe heal the tank > aoe heal > single heal > aoe heal, and keep doing this while hoping the tank did not die. The pld took over 400k of damage in 8 minutes.

[Nixxe]

I get that, I really do, but when you have a brd gearing crit/det, it is not helping matters.



You try doing an expert while having 1800 hps or wipe, on AST!!!! , AST is not fit for that kind of thing at all, she had to singe heal the tank > aoe heal > single heal > aoe heal, and keep doing this while hoping the tank did not die. The pld took over 400k of damage in 8 minutes.

Without any buffs of any kind, including a sect, my 244 AST with a 210 weapon heals for 4,290 with Benefic, which has a 2.33 second recast time. That's 1,841 hps. That means that over an 8 minute period it will do about 884k healing with just Benefic, even if I have no buffs of any kind. In that context, 400k damage over 8 minutes does not seem impressive or even the least bit worrisome. I imagine it's still more than many tanks take, so you might not get to DPS as much or perhaps at all, but this doesn't seem like some sort of nerve wracking experience.