[Dev suggestion] More strict stat checks when entering duty finer/tutorial tests

[Slevin_Impudicus]

You don't really have any business getting into the minute details of another character's secondary stats in anything outside of EX and Savage. A bard needs Weapon Dmg, then Dex, then Crit, then the rest is min/maxing for limited gains. SE has already done enough damage to reduce the impact of secondary stats. Yes, they should make some sense, but the gear will make "some sense" as long as it is bard (or MCH) gear. DET and Skillspeed aren't that much different as in weight that you should get heartburn over it. I don't even think Accuracy is a factor in roulettes.

The skillspeed difference you are worrying about is not going to effect the dps more than a couple percent. Of all the things that can contribute to poor dps, this is in the weeds. There is no need for SE to devote any time on it.

[RaijinSupreme]

Someone who doesn't like the fact that you will get bad players in DF should open a school for all the bad players to attend so they can be better. The bad players will not be able to use DF unless they have at least a B average, and get all required credits to graduate.

So when you roll a DF, you can make sure they aren't bad.

Which one of you guys gonna do it?

[Nestama]

Someone who doesn't like the fact that you will get bad players in DF should open a school for all the bad players to attend so they can be better. The bad players will not be able to use DF unless they have at least a B average, and get all required credits to graduate.

So when you roll a DF, you can make sure they aren't bad.

Which one of you guys gonna do it?

If I see a BLM using only Tier III spells (spamming Fire III and then spamming Blizzard III), I'll inform them that that rotation is not good and that casting Fire is better (or using Enochian and Fire IV in a F4x2, Fire, F4x2, B3, B4 rotation if in L60 content). If they ignore my advice, I'll bring it up again. If they ignore it again, or get rude about it, then I (try to) kick them.

You mean like this? or is asking someone to try and do better bad?

[dragorian]

You don't really have to leave or demand to be kicked. You just ask if the DPS is doing alright and if they need help with their rotation. If they say no and continue to be a numpty, then you can boot them for their difference in playstyle (or lack thereof). Same applies to tanks and healers.

If the kick fails, I'd leave. I might be playing a game to waste time, but I don't like wasting time while wasting time (I leave and then play other games or see if the weather is cool enough for my dog to walk on the pavement).

Like we have time in dungeons to teach them the should either Google it or ask fc or friends it not the time to hold their hand.

[ChloeGrace]

If you weight the weapon too heavily, someone will grab something top end end (270) and throw on a bunch of spiritbonding gear, still barely meet the ilevel requirements and become a drain on the healers when they need multiple raises throughout the fight due to low health. Without the additional stats from gear, damage won't even be acceptable, much less optimal. There will always be people who find the simplest, easiest method (for them) to get what they want, and it usually involves being carried.

[EorzeaHero69]

Or you can form a party of 4 with your friends so you won't run into that kind of issue. Some people are either new to the game or the job itself. Can't blame em for learning em.

[Nestama]

If they're trying to learn, that's fine. If they're intentionally making others carry them, then it's not fine.

[Nixxe]

The easiest way to not get stressed out in Duty Finder is simply to not stress out about Duty Finder. Water off a duck's back, man. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.

[Ama_Hamada]

The jump between the 1st paragraph (bads in roulette cause stress) and 2nd paragraph (less stat combos + remove acc + more stress talk + tutorial for level jumpers) is what lost me. I get you now.

You are correct that the two prioritize sifferent secondaries. I imagine as it stands, BRD/MCH share gear to keep inventory bloat (slightly) smaller. Splitting them would make my MCH gear more specialized, but I am not sure how much it would help healers suffering through bad players in DF. Gear will only carry someone so far.

I get that, I really do, but when you have a brd gearing crit/det, it is not helping matters.

The easiest way to not get stressed out in Duty Finder is simply to not stress out about Duty Finder. Water off a duck's back, man. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff.

You try doing an expert while having 1800 hps or wipe, on AST!!!! , AST is not fit for that kind of thing at all, she had to singe heal the tank > aoe heal > single heal > aoe heal, and keep doing this while hoping the tank did not die. The pld took over 400k of damage in 8 minutes.

[Nixxe]

I get that, I really do, but when you have a brd gearing crit/det, it is not helping matters.



You try doing an expert while having 1800 hps or wipe, on AST!!!! , AST is not fit for that kind of thing at all, she had to singe heal the tank > aoe heal > single heal > aoe heal, and keep doing this while hoping the tank did not die. The pld took over 400k of damage in 8 minutes.

Without any buffs of any kind, including a sect, my 244 AST with a 210 weapon heals for 4,290 with Benefic, which has a 2.33 second recast time. That's 1,841 hps. That means that over an 8 minute period it will do about 884k healing with just Benefic, even if I have no buffs of any kind. In that context, 400k damage over 8 minutes does not seem impressive or even the least bit worrisome. I imagine it's still more than many tanks take, so you might not get to DPS as much or perhaps at all, but this doesn't seem like some sort of nerve wracking experience.