[Dev suggestion] More strict stat checks when entering duty finer/tutorial tests

[dragorian]

Op I as an whm get groups like that at least twice a day. People like that have no place here. I even got kicked out of an fc because one player like as you described was defending crap players. I for one as well as several excellent players who know jobs we play well, geared right, attributed right, highly skilled. I will give advice to new players in groups if they ask, as to why they have to want it. At patch 3.5,3.55 ect one should be excellent.

[TaleraRistain]

Speaking as a white mage main, it's duty finder. You roll with what you get or you leave and try again. Might have to take a penalty if they won't kick you, but that's the risk you take.

[Nestama]

Speaking as a white mage main, it's duty finder. You roll with what you get or you leave and try again. Might have to take a penalty if they won't kick you, but that's the risk you take.

You don't really have to leave or demand to be kicked. You just ask if the DPS is doing alright and if they need help with their rotation. If they say no and continue to be a numpty, then you can boot them for their difference in playstyle (or lack thereof). Same applies to tanks and healers.

If the kick fails, I'd leave. I might be playing a game to waste time, but I don't like wasting time while wasting time (I leave and then play other games or see if the weather is cool enough for my dog to walk on the pavement).

[TaleraRistain]

You don't really have to leave or demand to be kicked. You just ask if the DPS is doing alright and if they need help with their rotation. If they say no and continue to be a numpty, then you can boot them for their difference in playstyle (or lack thereof).

Usually if a party I'm in DF with is having trouble, I'll give it a try and then discuss with them if we're having troubles we just can't seem to get past about abandoning so we can try again with others. If their attitude is bad, I'll just leave. I personally find hiding behind the "difference in playstyle" reason to be a baby about what you got in DF is pretty childish, but again, that's just me and why I won't do it. There are a wide variety of playstyles and ability levels in the game. I signed up for that risk of randomness when I used DF. If I want to outline parameters, I use PF.

[dragorian]

You don't really have to leave or demand to be kicked. You just ask if the DPS is doing alright and if they need help with their rotation. If they say no and continue to be a numpty, then you can boot them for their difference in playstyle (or lack thereof). Same applies to tanks and healers.

If the kick fails, I'd leave. I might be playing a game to waste time, but I don't like wasting time while wasting time (I leave and then play other games or see if the weather is cool enough for my dog to walk on the pavement).

Like we have time in dungeons to teach them the should either Google it or ask fc or friends it not the time to hold their hand.

[Clethoria]

Speaking as a white mage main, it's duty finder. You roll with what you get or you leave and try again. Might have to take a penalty if they won't kick you, but that's the risk you take.

SHHHH Stop making sense!

[Underdog2204]

Ghh I hate sharing gear with BRD... I cringe when I think of all the skillspeed I've got all of which is useless to me...

[Ama_Hamada]

Ghh I hate sharing gear with BRD... I cringe when I think of all the skillspeed I've got all of which is useless to me...

exactly, that is what I mean, I do not get what confused you, Rokke

[Nestama]

Usually if a party I'm in DF with is having trouble, I'll give it a try and then discuss with them if we're having troubles we just can't seem to get past about abandoning so we can try again with others. If their attitude is bad, I'll just leave. I personally find hiding behind the "difference in playstyle" reason to be a baby about what you got in DF is pretty childish, but again, that's just me and why I won't do it. There are a wide variety of playstyles and ability levels in the game. I signed up for that risk of randomness when I used DF. If I want to outline parameters, I use PF.

I treat DF in a way where I expect everyone to work as a team and carry their own weight if the moment demands it (most of my DF's are this), not a 'you deal with what you get' way, as that can enable bad behaviour in players (they don't get 'punished' for being carried, so they think it's okay. Especially if you decide to leave when they become rude).

If I see a BLM using only Tier III spells (spamming Fire III and then spamming Blizzard III), I'll inform them that that rotation is not good and that casting Fire is better (or using Enochian and Fire IV in a F4x2, Fire, F4x2, B3, B4 rotation if in L60 content). If they ignore my advice, I'll bring it up again. If they ignore it again, or get rude about it, then I (try to) kick them.

[TaleraRistain]

I treat DF in a way where I expect everyone to work as a team and carry their own weight if the moment demands it (most of my DF's are this), not a 'you deal with what you get' way, as that can enable bad behaviour in players (they don't get 'punished' for being carried, so they think it's okay. Especially if you decide to leave when they become rude).

Usually the ones who are rude are the ones who bitch about low DPS without trying to fix anything. I can count on one hand the number of parties I've just left. Usually after I open dialogue with my partymates we either determine we can't manage with current makeup or figure out what we need to adjust and continue on. I just have this really bad character flaw that when I make a commitment to something, which I consider joining DF to be, I hold to that commitment. Horrible, I know.