[Dev suggestion] More strict stat checks when entering duty finer/tutorial tests

[Ama_Hamada]

Notice I said stat checks, not gear level. It is too easy to bypass the gear level requirement. My friend entered an expert just before the maint and was heal stressing because the one bard could not DPS well. It did not help that the tank did not know how position stuff too. My healer friend and DPS friend had to carry the run pretty much, with the healer being overstressed. A person shouldn't be that stressed trying to keep someone alive within an expert.


Something needs to be done with gear/stats, meaning stats need more balancing, like stop giving DET to a BRD if you can't program it to be effective for BRDs, or split MCH/BRD gear because it is 2 different classes as far as stats goes. There is too limited picks for MCH and BRD because of the combining and splitting accuracy, crit, DET, and skill speed. For example, why is there no 260 hat with crit/ acc or crit/det? make them less complex, and if you have no clue how do that, to make it easier on people to understand, then get rid of the accuracy stat. It is useless in this game anyway, and only makes healers stress over it raids. Finally there needs tutorial tests so people know how to play, esp with the jump potions coming out.

Finally we need a stat checker as in you need x amount of vit (for tank), x amount of mind for healer, x amount of strength for drg/mnk, x amount of def for brd/mch, along with a minimum weapon requirement. We do not need average gear level requirement, since that is too easy to bypass such as:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-this-allowed

Enough is enough, stop stressing healers that chose to use the party finder.

[RaijinSupreme]

oh boy, another one.

*ducks and hides with a bag of popcorn*

[Nestama]

As a fun fact, I can enter The Creator with a Replica Relic weapon (this is Level 50, i50 and has 13 VIT and 13 INT. It has no secondary stats). With the current gear I have on + the Replica, it drops me down to i231, which is enough for me to enter The Creator. With a little more i270 pieces, I could probably enter Sophia EX/Expert Roulette.

[Altena]

Just before maintanence, needed to do one last DR:Expert.

The DRG in the party was red dotting / dc'ing while in the first cutscene so scoped out their gear.

They had a whole tonne of 260/270 stuff, both left and right side but their weapon was a.... True Ice Spear!

As in, the i110 lvl 50 Shiva weapon..

At level 60.
In a DR:Ex....

I mean.... This was a mistake right? Surely they were just trying on some glamour before they entered and they were going to switch when we started the dungeon...
Honestly won't know because they D/c'd after 5-10 mins of being stuck in the little force field thingy at the start so we couldn't finish our DR:Ex anyway.

As far as a stat check is concerned - I think there should be a "minimum weapon iLvl" check as well.. Weapon damage just accounts for far too much, regardless what role you are playing.
If you're a DPS, your damage is rubbish.
If you're a Tank, you can't hold hate.
If you're a Healer, your heals do very little and your nukes hit like a wet noodle.

You shouldn't be able to inflate your iLvl passed the DF if your weapon is trash because it just means too much.

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As far as actual substats - I don't think that is necessary.. Though I can see a main-stat check considering as a DPS you can toss on a whole bunch 270 of Mind or Vit accessories just to inflate your iLvl.

[Rokke]

So a BRD was bad and they should be given gear with better stats because they're bad (?) so your friend/other healers don't have to worry about healing them (?).

I agree with that other thread about making a weapon weighted more heavily in the ilv, but I'm a little lost here.

[dragorian]

Op I as an whm get groups like that at least twice a day. People like that have no place here. I even got kicked out of an fc because one player like as you described was defending crap players. I for one as well as several excellent players who know jobs we play well, geared right, attributed right, highly skilled. I will give advice to new players in groups if they ask, as to why they have to want it. At patch 3.5,3.55 ect one should be excellent.

[TaleraRistain]

Speaking as a white mage main, it's duty finder. You roll with what you get or you leave and try again. Might have to take a penalty if they won't kick you, but that's the risk you take.

[Nestama]

Speaking as a white mage main, it's duty finder. You roll with what you get or you leave and try again. Might have to take a penalty if they won't kick you, but that's the risk you take.

You don't really have to leave or demand to be kicked. You just ask if the DPS is doing alright and if they need help with their rotation. If they say no and continue to be a numpty, then you can boot them for their difference in playstyle (or lack thereof). Same applies to tanks and healers.

If the kick fails, I'd leave. I might be playing a game to waste time, but I don't like wasting time while wasting time (I leave and then play other games or see if the weather is cool enough for my dog to walk on the pavement).

[Clethoria]

Speaking as a white mage main, it's duty finder. You roll with what you get or you leave and try again. Might have to take a penalty if they won't kick you, but that's the risk you take.

SHHHH Stop making sense!

[TaleraRistain]

You don't really have to leave or demand to be kicked. You just ask if the DPS is doing alright and if they need help with their rotation. If they say no and continue to be a numpty, then you can boot them for their difference in playstyle (or lack thereof).

Usually if a party I'm in DF with is having trouble, I'll give it a try and then discuss with them if we're having troubles we just can't seem to get past about abandoning so we can try again with others. If their attitude is bad, I'll just leave. I personally find hiding behind the "difference in playstyle" reason to be a baby about what you got in DF is pretty childish, but again, that's just me and why I won't do it. There are a wide variety of playstyles and ability levels in the game. I signed up for that risk of randomness when I used DF. If I want to outline parameters, I use PF.