Stop Giving the "Need" Command for Drop Gear in Dungeons to Higher Geared Players!

[AmeliaVerves]

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If you need, for example, loot for your MNK (or whatever class), why don't you simply enter the dungeon with your MNK? ö.ö

And if I choose to enter a dungeon as MNK, because I want a specific piece of gear for MNK, for whatever reason I have, why should I be not in the right to take that piece? Ever since I entered to get it...

This whole discussion is confusing me, because SE gave you the literal possibility to get things, the only thing you have to do for that is enter as that specific class. x.x

[Underdog2204]

It is as simple as all-greed, actually; there is a table on a previous page, nvm I'll link it again:

Would you prefer a 25% min. chance of getting something to turn-in or a ≤20% one?
(Remember you can't expect a courtesy you didn't care to offer.)

If you 're trying to get the sands with moonstones bought with GC seals.. oh well, ask for some tips.

It's much easier to keep in touch with people who have left for other servers by having a character there than doing world transfers back and forth. It's why you see so many ppl doing this.

(Thanks for ths screenshot btw, reminds me I've yet to visit someone on Moogle)

Mhmm coz there arn't things like Discord etc. All communication has to be done in game and on lvl 1 characters apparently :P

Lol!!! Like I don't have an anima and have zero clue about how to get one haha! Omg trying to put me down like I have zero idea what I'm talking about based on nothing but your bitterness is kinda hilarious xD

Am just gonna translate this for everyone "If I do something for me it's not selfish, if you do something for you you are"

I wouldn't visit if they have made zero effort to stay in touch and intentionally moved away from you (well you certainly not a factor on them remaining). That is ofc if there is anyone in the first place. Has a strange air of crazy stalker person about it if you ask me if I'm being honset... Like "no-one can get away from me ever! I will follow you across servers!"

All greed so you always have to outroll at least 3 other people to get anything for any reason. Urm hell no, if I get a drop for me it's mine and am sorry you can't deal with that but that's the way it is. This works for every single person in the party, including you. If you chose not to take it that's down to you but that is your choice, you cannot force your choices on everyone else and call them rules.

If you need, for example, loot for your MNK (or whatever class), why don't you simply enter the dungeon with your MNK? ö.ö

And if I choose to enter a dungeon as MNK, because I want a specific piece of gear for MNK, for whatever reason I have, why should I be not in the right to take that piece? Ever since I entered to get it...

This whole discussion is confusing me.

Coz that requires logic and critical thinking. Everyone else has to change the rules to accomodate people who like to complain about something totally within their power to avoid.

[Cordie]

If you need, for example, loot for your MNK (or whatever class), why don't you simply enter the dungeon with your MNK? ...

Some background reading for you:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...es-for-low-DPS
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tutorial-tests

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You ignored the relevant point (click the "show" section, it won't bite).
And you are moving this off-topic.

Anyways:

First of all, why would someone want to use my character name? Any ideas about that?
Secondly, the name was available for a looooooong time, about a year after my first character on some servers. If someone wanted it they could just take it.
Thirdly, out-of-game communication is reserved for out-of-game people.
Finally, it would be much more effective to have characters with different names if they were used for stalking. Plus, they would need to have access to other areas too than just Ul'dah.

Not sure about your relic, I didn't bother with Lodestone for stalking yet, but in the example you mentioned there are more fundamental things to be clarified to that (hypothetical?) player than getting loot for seals turn-ins.

[ErryK]

Since when is 250 and probably wearing casting acessories as a caster undergeared for anything?

Stop wearing casting acessories, swtich then to healing onces and then remove yor weapon and use a ilvl 145 one. Dw you'll still be able to get into all the dungeons available. Then you may get a better idea of what we are talking about, all you are doing is going "oh my lowest geared job is undergeared coz it's not as high as my other ones" which is a rediculous way of thinking.

That's an idiot, not an undergeared player that you are describing.

[Alleo]

Well I always wanted to have the complete upper body set from Sohm Al normal since I like the look of them. I main a summoner so I mostly just run it at that class and at the same time I know that this means that I might lose the roll to someone that has "need". And it was completely fine with me because I could have run it on another class too but did not feel like it. After only missing one or two pieces I asked the group if I can have it if its drops and there was no problem. Sadly RNG was not nice to me.

Even if there would be no need roll anymore..how big is the chance that you will get that one item if all can greed? Or do you want others to stop rolling even greed so you can equip an alt job that you dont even need to complete the story..I mean leveling up alt jobs is an extra and nothing mandatory.

[Alistaire]

This whole discussion is confusing me

Just another bad idea thread from someone a little more entitled than they should be.

[Seig345]

[...] I can only chuckle when people are bringing statistical arguments.

I can only chuckle when people make their rebuttal based on only part of someone's post rather than the whole point.

That big bad Paladin needed something out from under you, but you can do the same when something drops for your role. Unless you're honestly trying to say the RNG is out to get you (lol...), there is no problem here.

[AmeliaVerves]

Some background reading for you:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...es-for-low-DPS
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tutorial-tests

I know those and I have posted something in there as well, I think.

It's just... If you have a low weapon then go for the next higher one? Or get a crafted one? You said before that everyone who wants to desynthezise (sorry, no native english, not sure how to spell x.x) you should go get crafted gear. Uhm... If you are having a hard time in dungeons, because of lacking ilvl, why don't you go and get crafted gear? ö.ö It's 5 ilvl above highest dungeon drop so...
I can see why it's frustrating sometimes and I do get your point that it might be hard to equip off classes, but I think the way you want to solve the problem is the wrong one and you are trying to bring up arguments which can be turned around too easily :x
So no real solution here. :/

Even if you are not Level60 yet and want leveling gear you can go get the crafted stuff. It might be below your level, like: you are level 55 and gear is lvl53, but that is still fairly good for your dungeons.
Or, if you are level60 and want to equip other classes without playing them you can still do Alex NM, which gives you items you can exchange for gear for literally every class. ^^ Maybe that system might be better for you and fit yout needs? ^^

[Lukha]

So wait, am I the only person who only needs if it's an item I haven't gotten yet (and will usually still pass if I know someone needs it for stats)? If I'm planning to desynth or turn in I'll usually greed instead, unless it's a material or something that everyone can need on.

Seriously, I just assumed this was the proper etiquette for these situations.

desynthezise (sorry, no native english, not sure how to spell x.x)

Switch the 'z' and the 's' and you're fine.

[ManuelBravo]

FAIR WARNING; this is not meant to insult anyone nor to belittle anyone on how they play the game, however the truth must be told. AGAIN with a break down.

Let's face it there are two types of players. Those who KNOW and understand what the purpose of NEED is, based on common sense, and those who feel and fail to understand that ALL roles have access to NEED.

What we players, who understand that all roles have access, understand that communication is the key, and hard work pays off, NEED you other players to understand is the following;

We NEED you to understand that we all pay membership fees. Your no different nor more important than anyone else. If in real life your told that, wake up, they are being nice to you.
We NEED you to understand that all roles have the same function and if RNG is not on your side we NEED you to understand that is how life is.
We NEED you to understand that we work hard to get were we are, put in the time, and choose the fastest way to reach our individual goals.
We NEED you to understand that we are not made of stone and help those who NEED something, they NEED to speak up if they NEED a piece of gear.

With that being said lets face reality;

Hard work pays off, there is a lot of better gear out there. FARM Tomes, RAISE a TANK JOB if you feel they get priority or play that actual role. Here is a very good idea as well, ASK FOR HELP. If you have an FC, Friends, and such who can craft ASK. Chances are they will ask you for the materials for the item. NO ONE will do it just because unless your very close to them, or some other unknown reason. People ask me for help I either tank for them, or craft for them. I don't charge for my services just ask for materials or as a MENTOR educate various ways to reach their goals. THEY STILL NEED TO PUT IN THE EFFORT. What we choose to do with the gear is with in our own needs and have ZERO connection to your own needs. Please stop with the cup cake generation syndrome and face reality. COMMUNICATE, PLAY THE ROLE, or CREATE YOUR OWN GROUP WITH LOOT RULES. They are there for a reason.