Does it get any better?

[AmalonStar]

Pulling mobs all depends on the game really with XIV only the tank should be doing the pulling, they're the one that gets to decide on the pace for the dungeon. As a tank when you get a dps that keeps pulling mobs they have to chase after those and trying to maintain aggro on everything can get to be a challenge sometimes, typically when a dps keeps pulling after being requested not to usually does result in getting them getting kicked. From a healers perspective you have to heal a lot more and heal more ppl than you needed to because of a dps pulling extra mobs, if a tank choose to pull those mobs yes there is still more healing but it doesn't end up being all over the place. For me if a dps is pulling mobs and has been requested not to if I'm healing (now this may sound mean but....) I will usually let the dps die and solely focus on keeping myself and the tank alive and trying to keep the other dps alive but they're still third on the priority list.

[Raige]

After 8 pages of debates between the OP and everyone who plays the game, my question is: How do you feel now about the issue, OP?

[ShadowHunterrX]

Thank you for fully understanding what my actual question was.

You mean *Thank you for saying what I only wanna hear*

But OP , did you ask at the start of every dungeon that you are allowed to pull. If not , arent you com skills equally bad ? Anyway , it wont get better if you continue acting like you did ingame and here on the forums. So put your 15 year mmo pride away and learn the game like it's your first MMO .

But who am I. I also dont understand *letting mobs live at 20% and switch mob* and *I want to be second in hate on boss and ignore mechs/adds* playstyles.

[Freerider]

I mean if I'm tank and someone who isn't a tank does the pull I just let them die then take aggro back problem solved. XD

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Hm, not really. As DPS pretty much you just gotta learn to adjust your strategies around the pace that your tank/healer team sets. If anything, the communication gets worse in later dungeons because by then everyone has worked out the most efficient ways to complete a run. Talking about it isn't really needed.

But this also goes two ways. If someone would like a run to go faster, they can speak up instead of trying to push everyone into it. Often there is a reason tank chooses not to pull big (eg: they haven't done the run often, or they noticed the healer is a little under-geared).

If you're not saying anything, they probably assumed you don't care about their opinions on the matter so what would be the point in trying to communicate with you?

[Pintsized]

I just perma constant pull cause I want to speed up the run

Speedruns are the scourge of all MMOs and having multiple 60s doesn't invalidate those players' loathing for them .. oh, and 'sprouts' are optional and can be set/unset as desired so its presence or absence doesn't indicate anything.

[Atreyu]

You might be running with people who don't tank or heal often and might be trying to get a better hang of it and thus are slower to pull. Just because someone isn't a sprout doesn't mean that they are an expert at their currently equipped job.

Also I was raiding in Legion up until this last month and I have been playing that game for a long time until I shelved it. I might not have experience in swtor, but I can tell you straight away that people do not take kindly to pulling if you're not the tank on WoW, either. Reactions have been similar on every MMO I've been on. It's considered rude at least, if not harassment.

[Squigley]

First of all, what did they do to my Aion?! When I was playing it waaaay back, most leveling groups had a really good chance of wiping if pulling extra mobs. As in CC was necessary and you wanted to DPS those screamer adds ASAP. And now sorcs can and are tanking? Sad

Secondly, it might be a good idea to get more understanding on how team dynamics and other jobs work in this game before trying to dictate the group actions in dungeons. As in, if I'm playing my monk, I want to punch the chain-pullers instead of the mobs. Having about 0 TP means doing about 0 DPS. Healer DPS was already mentioned but I'll mention it again, it can be a huge difference.

Thirdly, yeah, the lack of communication kinda sucks. However, this game is so dungeon focused that people probably just go on auto-pilot and assume everyone knows how things are done because everyone has probably done the dungeon countless times already.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Yes some games do work with chain pulling, but that is more so when you are at a camp with someone bringing mobs back to the party. The reason this works is there is no goal or objective it really doesn't matter.

When doing this in 14 the objective is to get to the end of the dungeon, you are pulling mobs backwards when the party still needs to move forwards. That's why it is far easier to take the whole party to the mobs with the tank grabbing as many as he thinks the party is capable of killing. Once the tank hits that number they stop and everyone burns them down.

Also chain pulling is only good for holding 1- 2 mobs and then bringing an extra when 1 dies etc. This actually hurts the dps output too, as most jobs can pump out more dps when spamming aoes on large packs.

Yes I am familiar with the system we did this format in FFXI, but even then that was changed when people realised it was far better to roam and kill.

[sandyshbl]

After 8 pages of debates between the OP and everyone who plays the game, my question is: How do you feel now about the issue, OP?

Thanks for a constructive post.
What I will do now: Ask at beginning if we can pull fast/not care about aggro so much.
What I learned: I feel that one poster's comment about the 90/10 assertion holds true based on these 8 pages. 10% gave constructive criticism REGARDLESS of whether they disagreed with me or not.

Just based on this thread I generalize two groups: 1. People who weren't personally offended and offered good advice, whether they agreed/disagreed with me or not.
2. Those who were personally offended by use of 'kids', or perhaps they were wiped by their dps in a similar fashion and I'm bringing up a similar topic, so I'm the subject of their anger projection =).