Does it get any better?

[WeekendSoja]

Man...people are pretty sensitive in this thread lol. Kind of funny to see people talk about "15+ years playing MMO's and I've never seen a DPS pull." Everquest which set the paradigm for MMOs and even the predecessor of the current game we play forced DPS to pull mobs for the party, those games fall in the 15 year span folks...either you played the MMO "Sims" or you were just a lazy player in real MMOs.

Sandy, the communication in this game sucks and literally 90% of the community are lazy bums who "think" they are playing their job right, but they are normally the reason that the run is taking longer than what is considered average run time. It doesn't get better lol, you either conform into laziness or get better than your party. If you choose to get better than your party you become the 10%...the people who actually know how to play their roles and aren't bothered by small stuff like DPS pulling.

[Sammix87]

I see where you're coming from having had a friend try this game and them feeling the same way you do about pulling in dungeons.

But FFXIV has always followed the tank, healer and dps method and most likely always will. Tank is always expected to lead the dungeon and as someone said in a previous post, enemy mobs in dungeons hit harder than regular enemies which is why tank is essential to a party. You should only pull as large a mob as the tank and healer can cope with. Even with an amazing tank and healer you can wipe on trash mobs if the party gets overrun because 1 person wanted to speed things up.

As for people kicking you, as others suggested it may be good to talk to your group at the start. You'll be surprised how friendly, helpful and accommodating a lot of FFXIV players actually are. Don't buy in to the negativity people have about the community.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

it may be good to talk to your group at the start. You'll be surprised how friendly, helpful and accommodating a lot of FFXIV players actually are. Don't buy in to the negativity people have about the community.

I can agree with this at the very least. If you're looking for aggressive pulls, talk about it at the beginning of the dungeon so the tank and healer are on board and everyone knows what to expect. People can be pretty accommodating if you just ask for what you want rather than take it upon yourself to try and force the issue by pulling extra mobs yourself without warning.

[Normalizer]

Well now i see you mentioned chain pulling, and even for chain pulling i wouldn't recommend to pull as dps, here is the reason:
- dps in ffxiv can't take too much hit, esp. as caster you will die very soon unless healers babysit your HP. Some jobs that can take more hit than other are drg and mnk, but even them won't last very long. And for leveling dungeons, as a healer i got many paper tanks in low gear that i have to babysit their HP already, and i will be appreciated if i don't have to also take care of the other dps who is nearly death because he decided to pull :P

- it's not easy for a tank to take back aggro without using provoke (with quite long cooldown). it's not impossible without provoke but it's extremely stressful to do so, and esp. when the tank also need to hold other mobs at the same time.

- as a healer who dps, i need mana for holy :P Your mana only regen at normal speed out of combat. That is why i hate chain pulling, even when tank do it. Chain pulling means i have less mana for holy.

[Ama_Hamada]

We had a wipe almost, just now, and my friend wanted kick the BLM on the spot because how rushed it was, not letting people get there.

I really do not get the need to haste pull, just let the tank go at the pace they are comfortable with. All you are doing is stressing the healer and tank without speeding up the run any. They are within full right of kicking you.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Another thing to consider is, the idea of pulling extras for the tank can actually slow the run down rather than speed it up. If you're taking excess damage grabbing those extra mobs, not only does the tank have to stop his own dps to pick them up but so does the healer who has to heal you. While tank and healer dps arent a match for actual dps classes, reducing them or outright eliminating them because they have to pick up your adds or heal you, can end up resulting in no time gained or actual time lost, especially if someone (or everyone) dies because of the overpull.

[Emerald_Swords]

It only gets better if you decide to play the game properly.

[randysquirrel]

"no-one dying" is not a good metric to justify a dps pulling extra mobs being OK.

If no-one dies, it's because the healer's working overtime healing you, which also then means the tanks has to run round collecting the mobs that are now on the healer. More time both of them are having to do this, the less time they are both dpsing the mobs. in lvling dungeons, clericed healer can easily top the dps

tl:dr you "speeding up" the run in this way isn't speeding it up at all, its almost certainly slower, and also forcing them to work harder just to keep you off the ground.

[Jim_Berry]

In WoW, as a tank, if dps pulled, they tanked it until they killed it or died. Keep doing it and you'd get booted in a heartbeat.

As a tank main in FFXIV, I live by this rule. At first, I didn't, but now, YOU will tank if you pulled.

Now, if the healer starts healing you and the healer takes aggro, I will protect the healer and ask the healer not to heal you. If the healer continue to heal you, I will go Sword Oath or drop Grit and let you tank/pull. In worse case scenario, I may get booted, but my queue times isn't as long as yours, so not only did I gain some gil, items, and xp from our dungeon, I'm gaining more from the next dungeon, and dungeon after that while you're still queueing for your second dungeon.

I WILL say this, though:
If you want fast runs, PLEASE ask the tank and healer if they can do it. You ask the tank because he knows what he can and can't handle, and the heal may not be the dps type of healer.

[Evergrey]

As a tank main in FFXIV, I live by this rule. At first, I didn't, but now, YOU will tank if you pulled.

I too live by the "You Pull it you Tank it" rule.
If I see someone constantly pulling I first give them a warning or two, if it continues I simply ignore everything that said player got on him until he's dead.