Does it get any better?

[tymora]

ZERO conversation whole run. Halfway through dungeon: Healer lets me die from my pull
"That's why you let the tank pull"
"Hey, we haven't died yet, we're fine, just trying to save time"
Kick

A conversation goes both ways no? Did you ask "if it is ok"?
FFXIV is more stuck up on player roles generally. If you come from a game where there are no clearly defined roles like NCSoft's "Aion" or "Blade & Soul" where in normal dungeons roles matter shit, I can see why it can be hard to get used to.

[sandyshbl]

A conversation goes both ways no? Did you ask "if it is ok"?
FFXIV is more stuck up on player roles generally. If you come from a game where there are no clearly defined roles like NCSoft's "Aion" or "Blade & Soul" where in normal dungeons roles matter shit, I can see why it can be hard to get used to.

One of the better and helpful answers here. Thanks for making a distinction in differences of roles, that in ff14 it matters much more compared to Aion or B&S. Especially in a game like aion, where a GS sorc can tank through a lot of bosses (and duo it) with a decent healer. That's true too, next time I can ask at the beginning if it's okay to play that way.

Replies like "go roll tank" "that's not your job" are not helpful in changing one's mindset guys.

[Vidu]

One of the better and helpful answers here. Thanks for making a distinction in differences of roles, that in ff14 it matters much more compared to Aion or B&S. Replies like "go roll tank" "that's not your job" are not helpful in changing one's mindset guys.

Tbh: I expected you to have figured this out on yourself after two weeks, 55 levels and 15 years of experience... so what you needed to hear was "This is a different game"?

[sandyshbl]

Tbh: I expected you to have figured this out on yourself after two weeks, 55 levels and 15 years of experience... so what you needed to hear was "This is a different game"?

No one died. We were clearing trash faster. What reason was there to think "this is a different game" beyond getting kicked for the same behavior here, when I never have been in other mmo's? All the other mmo's you steamroll through trash, no one cares about trash, so is it hard for you to understand why someone would have that type of steamroll mindset coming in to this game?

[sandyshbl]

Thanks Miste for a constructive post.
And you're right. I think I have decided that it will come down to accepting I may get kicked some times. Statistically, it's probably at around 5% of my groups. It's just I haven't experienced this before in any other mmo so I was venting a bit.

[Miste]

Thanks Miste for a constructive post.
And you're right. I think I have decided that it will come down to accepting I may get kicked some times. Statistically, it's probably at around 5% of my groups. It's just I haven't experienced this before in any other mmo so I was venting a bit.

I understand the frustration since it is something you weren't used to, but its just super hard to swim against the current. Most of the community here is pretty uniformly decided that tanks should be the one to pull mobs/bosses and they have good reasons (which I agree with) to back up why that should be the normal operating procedure.

My suggestion would be not to accept you might be kicked, but to just stop pulling as a DPS job. It isn't going to speed up your run very much to be worth getting kicked over or worth messing your team up.

Most players are used to the tank pulling and at higher levels if you continue this you might cause wipes. I mean I know you said you attempt to judge whether or not your group is capable first...but there might be occasions where you judge wrong.

[Medicine]

No one died. We were clearing trash faster. What reason was there to think "this is a different game" beyond getting kicked for the same behavior here, when I never have been in other mmo's? All the other mmo's you steamroll through trash, no one cares about trash, so is it hard for you to understand why someone would have that type of steamroll mindset coming in to this game?

I've played a lot of mmo's over the years and not once have I had that kind of mindset were I thought it was okay for a dps to pull mobs when it's the tanks job to do it... I think you may just be a bit impatient?

[Vidu]

No one died. We were clearing trash faster. What reason was there to think "this is a different game" beyond getting kicked for the same behavior here, when I never have been in other mmo's? All the other mmo's you steamroll through trash, no one cares about trash, so is it hard for you to understand why someone would have that type of steamroll mindset coming in to this game?

Ooookay - you get kicked. You know WHY you get kicked aka what the problem is. You continue to do that. You come here to whine and play the victim card, acting as if you've been misstreated...

So, if thats what you need to hear:
Let the tank pull, because thats how FFXIV and the community work. I'm sorry you couldnt figure that out by yourself after being kicked for it several times.
The tank decides how fast a run goes and how comfortable they are with masspulls - depending on ressource like TP (mainly for warrior) and MP (for DRK, PLD but also the healer) they might not want to do a masspull right now. Or they dont feel comfortable doing that because they dont main tank. Or they dont see a point in doing that. Or its a more "difficult" pull because there are mobs involved that dont move/hit very hard/"need" to be stunned etc. etc.
There are many reasons a tank might not want to do big pulls in this game at a specific point. I main a tank, I know my ways around every dungeon in the game, I like doing big pulls but sometimes I wont do them for the above reasons.
The suggestion "Go and play a tank" is actually a serious one because it will help you to understand how the game works and what to watch out for better - same goes for trying to play a healer and at least one of the melee classes: Everything will help you to understand how this game is working and how the classes (and hopefully the people behind the characters) are working together.

Right now you're giving me the impression that you're the only person in all those runs who knew how to play - yet you're the one who seems to know the least and who doesnt understand what game they're playing...
If you were unsure about how to play this game asking is a good idea - and I dont mean in the forums as level 55 BLM. One of the best runs I ever had was with a level 17 arcanist in TamTara, second dungeon in the game. And they asked about roles and what they had to focus on. Thats a good point to figure that stuff out for yourself - not almost 40 levels later when you only have to do that because you're getting kicked...

(also, sidenote: if you want to level, the sidequests and storyquests are providing a lot of exp - specially in the HW-areas you want to pay attention to the sidequests anyways to unlock flying)

[Feidam]

Not to be rude, but if you paid attention to the games design as you leveled you'd have known that roles were important in Ffxiv. In my experience it is best to leave playstyles from other games in said games when you move to new game. After learning the new game if the chain pull or large pull style works then go for it.

Furthermore, speed pulling either large pulls or chain chain pulls just do not work for well for some classes below certain levels. This might not be readily apparent to a black mage though(not a slam to mage players I'm one too) as they have aoe and infinite resources from the beginning. Some classes have no aoe or horrible resource management at some stages of the game.

Some of the blame in all honesty, imo, is on the current players too. Not many seem to want teach new players the dungeons and things things work. Total disservice to the community at endgame imo. So players these days don't learn like we did when the game relaunched.