Does it get any better?

[sandyshbl]

You mean *Thank you for saying what I only wanna hear*

But OP , did you ask at the start of every dungeon that you are allowed to pull. If not , arent you com skills equally bad ? Anyway , it wont get better if you continue acting like you did ingame and here on the forums. So put your 15 year mmo pride away and learn the game like it's your first MMO .

But who am I. I also dont understand *letting mobs live at 20% and switch mob* and *I want to be second in hate on boss and ignore mechs/adds* playstyles.

More selective reporting. CNN? FOX? Is that you? I actually thanked several people throughout the thread, both those who agreed and disagreed with me. PSA: Understanding and agreeing are two different things.

Oh and you got it wrong. 2nd on hate meter? You mean 1st and tanking boss. Yup I'm elitist.

[Pells]

Chaining pulls when the first mob is nearly dead, and mass pulls are different though. I stated chain pulling.

Chain pulling usually doesn't work because people need the few seconds between fights to regain TP/MP. BLM is one of the few classes that don't need to worry about this.

[Jib]

Don't forget several of the more important DPS Commandments. These are time honored and true across ALL games.

1) I shall not move ahead of the tank.
2) I shall not initiate a fight; only the tank will.
3) I shall avoid standing in the fire.
4) I shall reduce my aggro if I am outpacing the tank.

one rule you missed

5) I shall tank the floor if a dragoon I am (specific to ffixv but other mmos do have these classes, for example Swtor was the sentinel/marauder)

[KenshinHimura]

The OP is the problem with the community, even though he got kicked everytime he plays wrong he still doesn't learn but actually complains.Those kicks should be a lesson for you.

[Vidu]

What I will do now: Ask at beginning if we can pull fast/not care about aggro so much.

Just to mention it because you might not know this (because maybe its different in other games?):
"Not caring about aggro so much" isnt really an option in this game - not so much because the mobs are hitting hard, but also because they can interrupt casters (aka: dps-loss and no healing going off) and melee-classes often having positional-attacks that they cant use when they're facing the mob (and the mob will spin with them when they're having aggro) and that again would be a dps-loss.
It really is in everyones best interest to let the tank do the tanking and trust their judgment how much they and the group can handle.

[Stitches1974]

one rule you missed

5) I shall tank the floor if a dragoon I am (specific to ffixv but other mmos do have these classes, for example Swtor was the sentinel/marauder)

And WoW has the Huntard.

[bswpayton]

Just tank and you can pull every dungeon 15 and up with big mobs and finish in 20 mins , do you have something against tanks.

[Xlantaa]

If you're a DPS,then you must wait for tank to pull. it is the tank the one who established dungeons pace and also the first in pull. Most tanks in the game won't tolerate a DPS pulling first. I played WoW and SWOT and only in few dungeons in SWTOR I saw DPS pulling, but most of the time, are the Tanks. Also, normally on levelling, is not common pulling continuously. Speed runs are usually in endgame and not all people likes it. If you as DPS wants to make big pulls, usually is nice ask the tank instead of run ahead.

I tell you, as tank, I don't like DPS or healers pulling.

[seraf]

If your not the tank, don't pull. Pretty much been the motto I have lived by even in WoW years ago.

I've been in Dungeons before as the Tank and didn't feel like doing big pulls for one reason or another but that never stops the random Bard or Scholar from running ahead and pulling the next mob pack to me. It's frustrating.

[BorisDaBlade]

In leveling dungeons, you will have a lot of players undergeared, or just not quite up to the challenge. And it's been said in this thread, the HW mobs hit a bit harder than anything 50 and below.

So even if you wanted to make the run go faster, you'll just end up slowing the run down because now the healer has to focus heal 2 targets instead of just the tank, taking away their ability to dps.

It's about 4-5 seconds between packs of mobs with about 4 packs per boss, that's about 1 minute of running if a tank only does one pack at a time, a wipe will add that 1 minute just running back from the start.

It's also been said that blm will rip hate from a tank very easily. Being a great BLM isn't just the ability to melt mobs. It's the ability to melt mobs and keep the aggro indicators at orange.