Does it get any better?

[sandyshbl]

@Vidu. That's a good point, that I could instead look for speed leveling parties. Perhaps I wasn't clear in my post then. My statement of there never being a dialogue meant that, I haven't once had someone ask me nicely to stop. I've had people just without words stop healing me, then after death say "That's why you let the tank pull". And this is mid way through the dungeon, not like pull # 1,2 or even 3. I've never chain pulled with groups that I feel can't handle it either. Never with cute sprouts. I see the way they play early, see they're not beginners, and then decide to chain pull. I have yet to wipe my group from doing this.

The key point though is that they don't ask me in a nice way to stop it.

ZERO conversation whole run. Halfway through dungeon: Healer lets me die from my pull
"That's why you let the tank pull"
"Hey, we haven't died yet, we're fine, just trying to save time"
Kick

[Vidu]

My statement of there never being a dialogue meant that, I haven't once had someone ask me nicely to stop. I've had people just without words stop healing me, then after death say "That's why you let the tank pull".
"That's why you let the tank pull"

Yes and thats what you deserve when you dont let the tank pull, geez, man, you said you've been playing MMos for more than 15 years so we can assume that you're older than 15 - why dont you act like it and begin the dialouge yourself by asking "Hey, I think we can go a little faster, how about pulling more?" instead of dictating your group what YOU want to do?
Nice that YOU havent wipe from this yet, but this game isnt only about YOU - its also about the other people in the dungeon. And honestly: healer and tank have to pick up the extra stuff that you pulled, the weight is more on them than it is on you. It might be stressful for them and for sure its annoying.

Chaining pulls when the first mob is nearly dead, and mass pulls are different though. I stated chain pulling.

...and its still not your place as dps to do that - I'm amazed that you havent learned from your experience in the DF yet.

But again: Yes, speedrunning becomes a thing in endgame-dungeons. You're not in endgame-dungeons. You're in leveling dungeons. And even in endgame-dungeons its not your place to pull when you have a little red icon and not a blue one.

[jameseoakes]

....And honestly: healer and tank have to pick up the extra stuff that you pulled, the weight is more on them than it is on you. It might be stressful for them and for sure its annoying.

^ this sums it up best.

[Newmanxeno]

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Why don't you tell them what you want/are going to do in the beginning? If you've had this reaction multiple times of people not being nice, why keep doing it?

[tymora]

ZERO conversation whole run. Halfway through dungeon: Healer lets me die from my pull
"That's why you let the tank pull"
"Hey, we haven't died yet, we're fine, just trying to save time"
Kick

A conversation goes both ways no? Did you ask "if it is ok"?
FFXIV is more stuck up on player roles generally. If you come from a game where there are no clearly defined roles like NCSoft's "Aion" or "Blade & Soul" where in normal dungeons roles matter shit, I can see why it can be hard to get used to.

[sandyshbl]

A conversation goes both ways no? Did you ask "if it is ok"?
FFXIV is more stuck up on player roles generally. If you come from a game where there are no clearly defined roles like NCSoft's "Aion" or "Blade & Soul" where in normal dungeons roles matter shit, I can see why it can be hard to get used to.

One of the better and helpful answers here. Thanks for making a distinction in differences of roles, that in ff14 it matters much more compared to Aion or B&S. Especially in a game like aion, where a GS sorc can tank through a lot of bosses (and duo it) with a decent healer. That's true too, next time I can ask at the beginning if it's okay to play that way.

Replies like "go roll tank" "that's not your job" are not helpful in changing one's mindset guys.

[Vidu]

One of the better and helpful answers here. Thanks for making a distinction in differences of roles, that in ff14 it matters much more compared to Aion or B&S. Replies like "go roll tank" "that's not your job" are not helpful in changing one's mindset guys.

Tbh: I expected you to have figured this out on yourself after two weeks, 55 levels and 15 years of experience... so what you needed to hear was "This is a different game"?

[Feidam]

Not to be rude, but if you paid attention to the games design as you leveled you'd have known that roles were important in Ffxiv. In my experience it is best to leave playstyles from other games in said games when you move to new game. After learning the new game if the chain pull or large pull style works then go for it.

Furthermore, speed pulling either large pulls or chain chain pulls just do not work for well for some classes below certain levels. This might not be readily apparent to a black mage though(not a slam to mage players I'm one too) as they have aoe and infinite resources from the beginning. Some classes have no aoe or horrible resource management at some stages of the game.

Some of the blame in all honesty, imo, is on the current players too. Not many seem to want teach new players the dungeons and things things work. Total disservice to the community at endgame imo. So players these days don't learn like we did when the game relaunched.

[Reinha]

I've had people just without words stop healing me, then after death say "That's why you let the tank pull".

So you expect the healer to spam heal you, a clothie, and that's supposed to make the run faster? I'm guessing you haven't tried healing in this game. Checking your lodestone profile... yup a grand total of 0 levels on healers.

Here's the thing. By making the healer spend more time healing you than they'd have to in order to keep up a tank you're preventing the healer from doing significant amounts of damage. The biggest difference in clear speed comes from whether the healer is doing 0 dps or all the dps they can.

So if we discard all other valid reasons to kick you (like stressing the healer, stressing the tank, not allowing TP to generate or making things more difficult for melee with positional attacks) and we just look at what's efficient, you are still in the wrong. Preventing the healer from doing damage is a huge dps loss. Making positioning harder for the tank can make melee miss their positionals or chase mobs, and that's another dps loss. Your preferred play style is not only annoying to everyone around you but also goes against what you're trying to accomplish. I recommend you drop this counterproductive habit.

I came to understand the situation not seek empathy.

You came here calling everyone else kids and blaming other people for not catering to your whims. Addressing people in such a way does not imply you're trying to understand other points of view.

[sandyshbl]

I came to understand the situation not seek empathy.
You came here calling everyone else kids and blaming other people for not catering to your whims. Addressing people in such a way does not imply you're trying to understand other points of view.

Words taken out of context. Am I watching the news right now!? =D