Does it get any better?

[EusisLandale]

This is so frighteningly true. The really scary part is when you run into players in PotD that fail at even being competent enough for that content.

I've been kind of fortunate in that regard for the most part. Found a few Black Mages here and there that were sticking to Umbral Ice far more than necessary, but most were willing to fix things up a bit having it pointed out that "Fire III, Fire to low, Blizzard III, Thunder, repeat. Firestarter and Thundercloud Thunder III when able." would be more efficient. Probably not the best, yet mostly functional especially with keeping up Enochian being more work than it's worth on 9 of 10 floors a set, but I'm mainly a tank so that's outside my expertise.
Probably ran into plenty of other jobs making major mistakes but, again, outside my expertise. That's just the one case where the buff staying up forever makes it plainly clear to try to help them out.

[TouchandFeel]

I've been kind of fortunate in that regard for the most part. Found a few Black Mages here and there that were sticking to Umbral Ice far more than necessary, but most were willing to fix things up a bit having it pointed out that "Fire III, Fire to low, Blizzard III, Thunder, repeat. Firestarter and Thundercloud Thunder III when able." would be more efficient. Probably not the best, yet mostly functional especially with keeping up Enochian being more work than it's worth on 9 of 10 floors a set, but I'm mainly a tank so that's outside my expertise.
Probably ran into plenty of other jobs making major mistakes but, again, outside my expertise. That's just the one case where the buff staying up forever makes it plainly clear to try to help them out.

If that's the worst you've dealt with consider yourself lucky. I've run into some gems: cleric stance AST's that don't bother healing me as the tank ever forcing me to rely on potions and souleater combo spam to not die while I sit at maybe 15-20% health the whole time and slowing down everything because with that low health I can only make small pulls, melee DPS that position themselves in front of the mobs while doing their combos, single targetting BLM's. Stuff like that.

[EusisLandale]

If that's the worst you've dealt with consider yourself lucky. I've run into some gems: cleric stance AST's that don't bother healing me as the tank ever forcing me to rely on potions and souleater combo spam to not die while I sit at maybe 15-20% health the whole time and slowing down everything because with that low health I can only make small pulls, melee DPS that position themselves in front of the mobs while doing their combos, single targetting BLM's. Stuff like that.

That sort of stuff only ever bugs me outside of PotD, inside I keep pulls small but fast and steady anyway. Big pulls in there are just begging for a trap to ruin your day. Running into that stuff outside of PoTD quickly turns me from the sort of tank that pulls until a wall is in the way to the sort that takes it one pack at a time and sits in Grit eternally.

[Kosmos992k]

This is so frighteningly true. The really scary part is when you run into players in PotD that fail at even being competent enough for that content.

Indeed, I need a "Tanking Eorzea since July 2013" bumper sticker...

[EusisLandale]

Not sure if it's been brought up yet, didn't see it, but one thing worth considering is that having multiple 60s means nothing at all. Thanks to Palace of the Dead getting things to that point is incredibly simple but you're not really taught much about proper functions to your job, especially in regards to tanking, healing, and any positional dps. You may very well find yourself running into people that are using leveling roulettes to get a grasp on those points after the fact.

[TaleraRistain]

As many have already said, general FF etiquette is to let the tank pull. You can arrange with the party to grab mobs if you need to maintain stacks/effects but this may always be ideal and they're not required to acquiesce.

[Altera]

This is why I love doing dungeons with people from my FC, as we love to take in the sights when inside the dungeons, as the art department does an amazing job
And we decide ourselves if we wanna speedrun for tomes, or take it slow, specially if we bring a new/returning player through the dungeon.

And in every game, I see anyone who pulls before the tank, as rude and impolite. And I know for a fact that this and even less is tolerated in WOW dungeons before getting kicked.
If people ask before they start if to pull small or large packs, its easier to get what you want.

[mylam]

I'm surprised no one mentioned FFXI in all of this. Surely someone here must've played that game back in its glory days. I experienced my fair share of DPS pulls in XI, but FFXI leveling mechanics were vastly different, in that it didn't have instanced levelling dungeons. What it did have though was a party system that was reliant on good communication.

In order for a group to get good, efficient exp, everyone needed to be on the same page. If the tank and healer was geared enough then one of the DPS could run off to grab another mob and bring it back to the group to keep the exp chain alive. If the healer didn't have the MP to sustain chain pulls then they'd have to let the others know to rest for MP.

Anyways, back on topic of FF14, because of dungeons and DF, it's rare for any kind of "planning" to go into a run, aside from boss explanations for anyone new. If your sole purpose is to speed through a dungeon then just ask at the beginning and you'll avoid any problems.