If a tank loses aggro, whose fault is it?

[Dyvid]

I'm curious, is the new tank meta not to use defense stance so they can push out a little more dps?

[Venoshock]

I'm curious, is the new tank meta not to use defense stance so they can push out a little more dps?

Yes but they Should rotate their cool dows to compensate for the lack of stance. Nothing in this game outside tankbusters and large pulls hits hard enough to warrant 100% tank stance usage.

Think of it like healers using their dps skills, they do it because again nothing in this game outside pvp requires them to be in healing mode 24/7.

[Dyvid]

Yes but they Should rotate their cool dows to compensate for the lack of stance. Nothing in this game outside tankbusters and large pulls hits hard enough to warrant 100% tank stance usage.

Think of it like healers using their dps skills, they do it because again nothing in this game outside pvp requires them to be in healing mode 24/7.

Oh well in that case then 100% the tanks fault simple because they chose to lose the 20% enmity buff for extra dps. More so in the OP story because that tank was asking dps to not do their job. Just like a healer, if they have control of the fight they feel free to add some dps but you first goal is tank all the mobs. Grit, Shield Oath, and Defiance isn't just about the def boost, it's enmity control too. I guess rotation of stance is what separates the good tanks from the bad.

[Venoshock]

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Oh of course, in the OPs case, that tank was garbage and so was his blm friend.

A good tank would establish a good lead on aggro first before touching their dps stance, that's a no brainer, but Once hate is established they should switch to dps stance for obvious reasons.

I haven't done any dungeons at all in weeks (all I do is raid n pvp), and when I raid with my static, we want to keep the mt in dps stance as much as possible without her having to use powerslash too much to push raidwide DPS. We do this through communication and use of cooldowns + me not using BB if I'm one BB away from ripping hate. If I use butchers when I could of used storms eye instead and rip hate from MT and the boss turns around cleaving the raid killing us all, that would be my fault as the offtank.

That's one of the few situations where it's NOT the main tanks fault for aggro loss.

[JunseiKei]

I'm curious, is the new tank meta not to use defense stance so they can push out a little more dps?

Technically speaking, the meta has always been to stance dance, being in DPS stance when not in danger and then utilizing the damage mitigation built in (PLD/DRK) or increased HP and healing incoming as well as access to other defensive cooldowns (WAR). The issue is many people forget the dancing part of stance dance and eat everything outside of the tank stance. This is fine for your raid team or people you know. This is not recommended with randoms of varying skill levels, hence there being a start to the issues.

Also, a lot of tanks apparently like to start fights in DPS stance, or do 1 enmity combo at the start and that's it. <_< I've seen so many DPS pull hate, even after using things like Quelling, Shadewalker or Smokescreen. :\ Sometimes the skill and gear difference is that great and people don't want to admit it.