If a tank loses aggro, whose fault is it?

[Jim_Berry]

Simple response: It is the tank's fault.

Other response: Some tanks, especially new ones, have the mentality from the community that tanks MUST drop tank stance to deal more dps, or they are flagged as a crappy tank.

I was in a few Zurvan Ex battles where people are now starting to blame Healers and Tanks if the first Soar isn't skipped with a 1-2-6 comp. It's getting sad. Many PF groups don't fill up as fast anymore because people don't want to hear WHY a certain mechanic wasn't skipped.

[MisterLucy]

Absolutely the tank's fault. Just blind badness basically. Both of them.

I agree that you shouldn't need to have Quelling Strikes unless the tank has weak gear. I tank all the time and I never lose aggro no matter how strong the people are. Tanking is easy. If the tank is losing aggro they aren't tanking right.

Go in the dungeon with the bear ilvl is there a black page 2 is fully maxed out 270 Q with you I bet you they take hate from you regardless if they get lvl syn

There's a big difference from having bearly ilvl vs crazy out ilvling the dungeon

[Magic-Mal]

Go in the dungeon with the bear ilvl is there a black page 2 is fully maxed out 270 Q with you I bet you they take hate from you regardless if they get lvl syn

There's a big difference from having bearly ilvl vs crazy out ilvling the dungeon

Well yeah, I said if the tank is weak you should use QS. But I'm not a weak tank. So I don't lose aggro. Even if they are full i270

[Llus]

As someone else pointed out here, you do need quelling strikes because your rotation can pull hate from even warriors equally geared. For trash situations, expect to pull a mob now and then but also expect that the tank gets aggro back immediately when you do. If a tank is way under geared, nothing you can do short of waiting 5-10s between casts will prevent you from pulling unless ALL they're doing is flash/overpower/unleash. And I would expect that if the tank is under geared; it's a tanks job to hold aggro even if they are under geared. That's not to say you shouldn't use or have to use quelling strikes; but you also shouldn't have to slow down because the tank doesn't know how to hold threat. In this situation (I did read everything), the tank was completely wrong. You're doing everything you can short of waiting 30s to start attacking and waiting 5-10s between casts to prevent grabbing aggro. 100% the tank's fault and they should learn how to tank before telling someone else how to do their job.

[MisterLucy]

Go in the dungeon with the bear ilvl is there a black mage who is fully maxed out 270 Q with you I bet you they take hate from you regardless if they get lvl syn

There's a big difference from having bearly ilvl vs crazy out ilvling the dungeon

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[Vespar]

Why do people feel the need to place blame?
Can we not just chock it up to a failed attempt and both try to learn from it?

Why does the tank have to be at fault? Why does the DPS have to be at fault?
If you feel your pulling too much hate and the tank cant keep up (or the healer or dps, or w/e may be the case), than ADJUST for it. Control your DPS, or talk to your tank if pulls are too large that you cant heal fast enough. Whatever the case may be.
Sometimes many factors are at play. Inexperience, gear level, play styles, fatigue, stress, etc... Don't just immediately wag fingers. If you just really do not have the patience for what is going on, leave and get into the next one. It generally doesn't take that long, and is better than everyone at each other's throats and hating the game over such a simple thing.

If its not gonna matter in a day, then why sweat it?

[Llus]

Why do people feel the need to place blame?

Can we not just chock it up to a failed attempt and both try to learn from it?

Why does the tank have to be at fault? Why does the DPS have to be at fault?
If you feel your pulling too much hate and the tank cant keep up (or the healer or dps, or w/e may be the case), than ADJUST for it. Control your DPS, or talk to your tank if pulls are too large that you cant heal fast enough. Whatever the case may be.
Sometimes many factors are at play. Inexperience, gear level, play styles, fatigue, stress, etc... Don't just immediately wag fingers. If you just really do not have the patience for what is going on, leave and get into the next one. It generally doesn't take that long, and is better than everyone at each other's throats and hating the game over such a simple thing.
If its not gonna matter in a day, then why sweat it?

Because that reinforces and legitimizes bad play no matter what class you're playing. We only learn from our failures when other people point them out or we recognize them ourselves (which is much harder to do).

[Jim_Berry]

Why do people feel the need to place blame?

Because one think that everything should go THEIR way.

Can we not just chock it up to a failed attempt and both try to learn from it?

No, because it comes down to doing your job, and to be able to do it without hurting yourself. For example, a Healer should NOT be dps'ing if he can't handle the multitask.

Why does the tank have to be at fault? Why does the DPS have to be at fault?

See my comment above!

If you feel your pulling too much hate and the tank cant keep up (or the healer or dps, or w/e may be the case), than ADJUST for it. Control your DPS, or talk to your tank if pulls are too large that you cant heal fast enough. Whatever the case may be.

I have to dispute this. Asking a DPS, especially a BLM, to hold/adjust DPS is ridiculous. You're asking him to stop doing his job. I feel like if a BLM isn't pulling for the tank, but just sitting back and killing stuff, then it comes down to the tank's crowd control, which is HIS job, not the BLM's.

Sometimes many factors are at play. Inexperience, gear level, play styles, fatigue, stress, etc... Don't just immediately wag fingers. If you just really do not have the patience for what is going on, leave and get into the next one. It generally doesn't take that long, and is better than everyone at each other's throats and hating the game over such a simple thing.

If its not gonna matter in a day, then why sweat it?

[MisterLucy]

If you Q as whatever look at ppl gear before you assume you can go all out. If the tank is under gear why go crazy on your dps and get mad at the tank?

[Aquaslash]

If you feel your pulling too much hate and the tank cant keep up (or the healer or dps, or w/e may be the case), than ADJUST for it. Control your DPS, or talk to your tank if pulls are too large that you cant heal fast enough. Whatever the case may be.

Ok, but don't cry if I end up using /sit in the middle of a fight cause the tank can't hold aggro AFTER I elusive jump.

Yes, I have had to do this, and yes, it was as sad as it sounds