Thread: Cutting number of abilities in 4.0

Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

According to "sources" (ie datamining, believe what you will) we are only looking at 2 job quests for established jobs between 60-70. So if true that is only 2 new skills.

I've heard as much also but one of the things they mentioned during the interviews leading up to stormblood was that they didn't want to link the new abilities to the new job quests because they had to tie the abilities to the Job quests themselves. So I'm pretty sure that the number of job quests isn't related to that much to all the new abilities we get. That is of course subject to change though,

Originally Posted by EusisLandale

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Pld become useless? Definitely not. I never stated what I would want to see added to them to make their DPS just as good as the two other tanks because I honestly have no idea what to give Pld to make it's dps better at this point outside of raw potency boosts. Also your post is a bit misleading with the ideas I posted.

War and Drk damage is tuned assuming you have Darkside and Maim up at all times, turning Maim in to a passive leaves Warrior's dps basically the same, it's just a small quality of life change. Putting Stormx2 and adjusting the potencies (you're right, the potency would be too high but that can always be changed) accordingly would let them apply their debuffs in a row while keeping their damage the same, it's once again a QoL change. As far as tying unchained in to Berserk, like I said, I kind of like the idea, but I'm not sold on it.

As far as Drk goes, putting scourge on Power Slash was just the first idea that came to mind and once again, it wouldn't be a buff. It would still be the same dps since you would only use the combo every 24~ seconds to maintain the DoT effect. Saying the permanent +15% damage is a buff is also misleading, you should be keeping Darkside up 100% of the time you're in combat, Drk should ALWAYS have the +15% damage. That being said, Darkside needed something to make it more interesting, folding Blood Weapon in to it is the best bet in my opinion.

I've also been an advocate for ditching the tank stances entirely for Drk/Pld and making stances more meaningful for warrior than they are now since I rarely ever see warriors using Defiance anyway and spending 99% of their time in Deliverance, but I digress. I definitely would want to see pld buffed up to have it's dps increased, but for the life of me I don't know what. Besides the question was what abilities we want to see removed, not what buffs or new abilities we want to see. For all we know if they did make those changes they could give Pld some crazy dps moves to bring it up to par, I have no idea.

As far resources go, good drk's manage their mp fine, I only ever see warrior's fell cleave all over the place with the occasional Decimate for AoE, and Pld has no resources to manage anyway. I don't really see what's lost in the process. As far as defensive cooldowns go, Drk still has to manage Dark Mind, Shadow Skin, Living Dead, and Shadow Wall, Warrior still has to know when to use Raw Intuition, Equilibrium, Thrill of Battle, Holmgang, and Vengeance, and Paladin still has to manage Rampart, Sentinel, and Hallowed Ground. I really don't think losing Awareness, Foresight, and Convalescence is that big a loss.

Originally Posted by Khalithar

Saying the permanent +15% damage is a buff is also misleading, you should be keeping Darkside up 100% of the time you're in combat, Drk should ALWAYS have the +15% damage. That being said, Darkside needed something to make it more interesting, folding Blood Weapon in to it is the best bet in my opinion.

I'm not saying that the 15% is a buff to Darkside, I'm saying that that, along with everything else on the Darkside buff, is rather excessive. Even if you made it a true stance and thus mutually exclusive with Grit that all combined is still far above anything Sword Oath or Deliverance provides.

As far resources go, good drk's manage their mp fine,

And the changes you suggest get rid of almost all of that management effort when every hit you make and take forever feed you MP.

I really don't think losing Awareness, Foresight, and Convalescence is that big a loss.

It would require considerable rebalancing of all existing content. Everything will have to hit harder baseline because there'd be no threat otherwise due to easier healing and no spikes beyond tank busters. Situations where crits are normally guaranteed are prevented by Awareness, so either the passive doesn't take priority and thus loses it's primary purpose or it utterly trivializes the only periods where crits are a threat.
The loss of these abilities also messes with enmity generation to an extent. As I recall every buff you use generates about 210 potency worth of enmity to everything in combat. 14/19.25 a second (those plus BP, BW, DD) lost to Dark Knight, 6.42 a second (those and Bulwark) for Paladin, 5.8 a second for Warrior. This is comparable to, or worse than, taking away Salted Earth (11.5 per second), Circle of Scorn's dot (6 per second), or requiring a stack of 10 Abandon (and permitting such a stack) to use Decimate (variable but roughly 1.3, 2.6 with the two Storms in a combo idea, per second on weaponskill combos alone). Unless I'm screwing my math up somewhere.

topic is old but wont create new one.
i can talk from DK perspective, but i think there is few skills in DK rotation what overlap functionality.[i would not remove dot ability, its make difference between good and better player, which remembers to use it]
-[shadowskin + shadow wall] is obvious, they do same thing, make it one skill adjust cd
-[unleash + abyssal drain] just leave unleash with abyssal drain dark art buff
-[unmend + provoke] just leave provoke with shorter cd
-[dark dance + dark mind] people dont like dodge on dk because its collide with blood price, make it magic def with with parry plus more bonus magic def dark art buff or something like that, or just remove dark dance?.... not sure with this one

With those we have 4 less key binds but we still have as much to click.

I don't like idea of merging dots into rotation or making things passive, because its take away from class complexity
I'm sure there is as much to do in other classes

PS: i want red gloving eyes while dark arts on.

In a famitsu interview with Yoshi-P, he said that GCD combos would not be changed. So everyone will still have 1-2a-3a, 1-2b-3b, 1-2b-3c combos. It's the oGCDs and non-combo GCDs that will be pruned.