PLEASE do NOT allow level skipping in 4.0

**Kaedan** · 02-24-2017 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Vhailor

Feel free to cling to your definition if you wish.

This statement applies more to you than to me.

I have no interest in arguing with you about it.

Then why did you continue after this sentence to not only make a poor argument, but personally attack me? Again, by your definition, everything in the cash shop, including the minions, mounts, dyes etc are all P2W because they are advantages that you can acquire by spending money.

Regardless of your posturing, it doesn't change the fact you're objectively wrong. P2W requires that the items being purchased can only be acquired by spending money or the grind (acquisition time) is ridiculously long to the point of being disproportionate.

Any other incorrect definition (of which yours is usually the only one attempted to claim) is illogical because it would make anything that can be bought with real money "P2W".

**Blackbird1** · 02-24-2017 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Vhailor

A perfect example of how appealing to the masses has shredded the quality of MMOs over the past 10 years or so.

then quit playing mmo's if your that butt hurt over it simple as that. click uninstall delete account end subscription. It's time to embrace the times and move on or you could play runecape i dont think they have jump potions yet

**Sylentmana** · 02-22-2017 06:15 AM

Bah! Back in my day, we had to play MMOs the way they were intended! We marched our characters 15 miles through the snow just to grind a dungeon, and we liked it! You kids and your instant gratification don't know vidya games!

**Zojha** · 02-22-2017 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Sylentmana

Bah! Back in my day, we had to play MMOs the way they were intended!

Back in my day, we didn't even have MMOs! You had to leave the house and go to some dirty pub to an Arcade machine and put coins in to play for a couple minutes!

**Sylentmana** · 02-22-2017 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Zojha

Back in my day, we didn't even have MMOs! You had to leave the house and go to some dirty pub to an Arcade machine and put coins in to play for a couple minutes!

What were the dinosaurs like? Was T-rex as scary as it looks?

**Ama_Hamada** · 02-22-2017 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sylentmana

Bah! Back in my day, we had to play MMOs the way they were intended! We marched our characters 15 miles through the snow just to grind a dungeon, and we liked it! You kids and your instant gratification don't know vidya games!

lol, i think having to walk 15 mins to that dungon, then dying there, then losing your exp, then doing the walk all over again, did some encoruging to say the least in infulcing people how to play properly. There is no gates in ffxiv that prevent such a thing, so someone rush leveling and being clueless would be no different then a jump potion.

My only wish is that they have some in game gate tutorial that makes you pass it to advice after learning the basic idea of proper rotations. It does not have to be super fast reaction time or anything to strict, but right now it is too lenient.

**Masekase_Hurricane** · 02-22-2017 06:26 AM

Oh here we go again......Do you really think levelling 1-60 teaches you your class in potd or in FATES? Do you think we should get the new classes at level 1 instead of 50? Do you think we should of got the HW jobs at 30?

Cause none of them taught me how to play my class. Reading my skills, looking up guides, talking to players and doing research taught me how to play my class.

So come the expansion all these people against the jump potions, should not bother to level the new SB jobs cause you wont have a clue.

Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

lol, i think having to walk 15 mins to that dungon, then dying there, then losing your exp, then doing the walk all over again, did some encoruging to say the least in infulcing people how to play properly. There is no gates in ffxiv that prevent such a thing, so someone rush leveling and being clueless would be no different then a jump potion.

My only wish is that they have some in game gate tutorial that makes you pass it to advice after learning the basic idea of proper rotations. It does not have to be super fast reaction time or anything to strict, but right now it is too lenient.

They do it's called a glowing box around their skill. If no glowing box read above.

If someone has no desire to learn it wont matter if the job starts at 1 or 100 they will still be s**t.

**Kyuuen** · 02-22-2017 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

They do it's called a glowing box around their skill. If no glowing box read above.

If someone has no desire to learn it wont matter if the job starts at 1 or 100 they will still be s**t.

And if you do only what the high-lighted box tells you on Ninja, I guarantee that you'll be missing out on a VERY considerable part of Ninja DPS.

And by-the-by, where exactly did I say that 1-60 teaches anything? Or am I missing something regarding your quoting me? xD

**Masekase_Hurricane** · 02-22-2017 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kyuuen

And if you do only what the high-lighted box tells you on Ninja, I guarantee that you'll be missing out on a VERY considerable part of Ninja DPS.

And by-the-by, where exactly did I say that 1-60 teaches anything? Or am I missing something regarding your quoting me? xD

Yes you are correct but that is the bog standard noob rotation, that is as far as SE needs to teach you in the game. Everything else should be learned through guides, asking friends or working out what abilities/weapon skills work better and then adapt it.

***Never meant to quote you in that other post btw lol

**Kyuuen** · 02-22-2017 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Yes you are correct but that is the bog standard noob rotation, that is as far as SE needs to teach you in the game. Everything else should be learned through guides, asking friends or working out what abilities/weapon skills work better and then adapt it.

***Never meant to quote you in that other post btw lol

Alright, kind of threw me off there. lol

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