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  1. #21
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    Misutoraru's Avatar
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    Misutoraru Valkyrie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiva View Post
    Unpopular opinion- go play conj. Start with sastasha. Get comfortable healing and dpsing in there. Move to he next dungeon. Etc. These ppl advising you to focus on healing and not dps at first are the reason why so many healers get to 60 and have no idea how to anticipate incoming damage and respond. They play reactionary. Dpsing as a healer is primarily what forces you to learn to play proactively and anticipate damage.
    unfortunately running the same dungeon numerous of time will only get you better timing of the dungeon mechanics
    but you could not help when queuing 3 total strangers, you will takes time to understand them, their ability, their CD timing, and their equipment
    and to be honest AST only get gravity at 52, which change the dps of AST in big pull
    actually those 5X leveling dungeon is a better learning environment, at least for my AST is
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  2. #22
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    HELLruler's Avatar
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    Yevol Valeriant
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Hijacking this thread to ask how/when should I use each sect. I'm talking about solo healing/light party
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  3. #23
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Marauder Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by HELLruler View Post
    Hijacking this thread to ask how/when should I use each sect. I'm talking about solo healing/light party
    Sadly, Diurnal Sect is so overwhelmingly powerful compared to Nocturnal sect that Nocturnal Sect hardly has any uses. All Nocturnal Sect offers is the ability to snipe heal someone with Aspected Benefic if they're low from taking damage and about to take damage again. But this is rather niche and not worth the benefits Diurnal brings over Nocturnal. Especially in lighter content where nothing can deal serious lethal damage. You could switch to Nocturnal between each pull to throw in some extra mitigation on the tank (combined with Stoneskin). But aside from that, there aren't that many uses that Nocturnal brings over Diurnal
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  4. #24
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    Sadly, Diurnal Sect is so overwhelmingly powerful compared to Nocturnal sect that Nocturnal Sect hardly has any uses. All Nocturnal Sect offers is the ability to snipe heal someone with Aspected Benefic if they're low from taking damage and about to take damage again. But this is rather niche and not worth the benefits Diurnal brings over Nocturnal. Especially in lighter content where nothing can deal serious lethal damage. You could switch to Nocturnal between each pull to throw in some extra mitigation on the tank (combined with Stoneskin). But aside from that, there aren't that many uses that Nocturnal brings over Diurnal
    may I ask when you personally played Ast the last time yourself, your profile said its your main cls right?... your statement fits the Ast right after release... but after two cls buffs, I see way more Nocs than Diurs... especially after Noc got the heal-boost over Diur, I see them very rarely nowadays.

    edit: and an instant shield is not useless at all... if you think so than Sch is useless too - and every fairy-whisperer should change to whm as well ; )
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    Last edited by Neela; 03-20-2017 at 06:37 PM.

  5. #25
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    Lyrica_Ashtine's Avatar
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
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    I do believe I answered in the context being asked for; which would be light party content.
    You're also not reading correctly. I never said (instant) shielding is useless. Which, by the way, Scholars do not have constant access to. I said taking nocturnal sect over diurnal sect for described situation and content doesn't outweigh the advantages diurnal offers
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  6. #26
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    Reigne Bo
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    Omega
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    may I ask when you personally played Ast the last time yourself, your profile said its your main cls right?... your statement fits the Ast right after release... but after two cls buffs, I see way more Nocs than Diurs... especially after Noc got the heal-boost over Diur, I see them very rarely nowadays.

    edit: and an instant shield is not useless at all... if you think so than Sch is useless too - and every fairy-whisperer should change to whm as well ; )
    I agree I only use diurn for raiding with sch co heal. All othe content I use noct especially with wmg co heal. Asts seem to get annoyed if im on sch with them cos they like noct more. Dungeons I use noct. Must say here though last boss in vault I prefer diurnal so its content biased sometimes.
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    Last edited by Feyona; 03-21-2017 at 01:33 AM.

  7. #27
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    Valmaxian's Avatar
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    Jase Shepard
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    Malboro
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Neela View Post
    may I ask when you personally played Ast the last time yourself, your profile said its your main cls right?... your statement fits the Ast right after release... but after two cls buffs, I see way more Nocs than Diurs... especially after Noc got the heal-boost over Diur, I see them very rarely nowadays.

    edit: and an instant shield is not useless at all... if you think so than Sch is useless too - and every fairy-whisperer should change to whm as well ; )
    I also see a lot more ASTs running Noct, but I'm with Lyrica in this one. In lower level content the HoTs from Diurnal + increased attack speed are WAY more relevant than a bit more healing. I think the appeal of Noct for many players in simply the flavor of the sect. I use Noct between pulls + SS for additional protection, but Diurnal for me is clearly more useful.
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  8. #28
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    Pengi Engi
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 80
    I think people learn best by doing. Jump into some low level dungeons, for most, you can probably get through most of those pressing only the basic heal button XD although you should experiment with the cards too if you can. They are all beneficial buffs so you can't make a grave error by misplacing them.
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  9. #29
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    Nixx Delumi
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    Sargatanas
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    Make sure to say "Heart of the cards" before using Draw each time in order to continue not getting the card you want.
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    Lutemis Rangar
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    Adamantoise
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    Lancer Lv 10
    Noct for Regular Pulls, Diurn for Bosses.

    My reasoning behind this is that during any (most) regular pulls, the tank is the only target taking damage, Nocts potency boost is nice, I can normally ignore the tank after casting Aspected for the majority of the pull, and because the shield is an instant cast, it lets me react quickly to the tank taking spike damage (More time in Cleric), and an Aspected -> Essential -> Aspected is a great recovery combo.

    Now, the reason I use Diurnal for bosses is because the universal pattern among bosses, is that the damage is widespread, however, in most cases, the AoE damage doesn't require a real heal, and the regen is more than enough for the DPS, so I always open with Helios -> Benefic on Tank, and go straight into Cleric and basically ignore everyone.

    Ultimately, I love running like this because it effectively uses BOTH stances during a standard dungeon.
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