Charging for runs.

[Stormrider]

I thought the selling of content clear was discussed at one point. It equals an in game service and unless they violate the terms agreed upon it is ok. So if we agree you get 1 million xp for X amount of gil I take gil and stop at 800k because I am sick of looking at you. Report and GMs will act. But if you get 1mill xp then we are equal. Thought this was discussed with casinos /randoms as well.

It is truly no different then paying some one to go collect branches or craft gear. It is a agreed upon commitment for gil. The violation is if people try to get real world money.

Side note some of the anger might not be two dps. But that samurai ended being dps and not tank. If it had been rdm and almost any other as dps might not have been the same outrage.

[RaizeGraymalkin]

Why would I pay for runs leveling one of those two? I have FATES, Leves, POTD, and FC mates to do dungeons with. If someone moronically pays you to do a run, with them well good on you for making a profit off a poor soul.

[Risvertasashi]

I thought the selling of content clear was discussed at one point. It equals an in game service and unless they violate the terms agreed upon it is ok. So if we agree you get 1 million xp for X amount of gil I take gil and stop at 800k because I am sick of looking at you. Report and GMs will act. But if you get 1mill xp then we are equal. Thought this was discussed with casinos /randoms as well.

It is truly no different then paying some one to go collect branches or craft gear. It is a agreed upon commitment for gil. The violation is if people try to get real world money.

Yep. It will always be controversial, however.

[CookieMonsta]

To be fair, high end guilds doing it doesn't mean it's not technically against the rules if it's in there somewhere. It's not hard to find violations of the naming rules, for example. The wording within the rules is even that they may do things about it not that they will.

Nope not against the rules because it constitutes a fair compensation for commitment of time and skill. The only time its against the ToS is if the sellers take the gil and do NOT provide the service, or conversely, the buyer refuses to pay gil. In both situations the party which does not honor the agreement will be punished.

Yep. It will always be controversial, however.

Only because there are an inordinate amount of people on this thread who seem to think its OK to be entitled to someone else's time, skill and effort. If the service is given pro-bono then its the prerogative of the person providing, amount of shaming or moral high ground can change that.

[Stormrider]

Yep. It will always be controversial, however.

Controversial is different from against the rules. We see when crafters sell new gear for multi millions how mad the forums get. As long as people can tell the difference between dislike and wrong.

[Nominous]

AST is a bongofest

LOL! I love, and am keeping this, forever!!

[Omegakiyohime]

But for now, I think it's best for everyone involved to take a "wait and see" approach, if only to stem some of the endless flailing and histrionics that are dominating the OF right now.

Lol It's been this way since beta. It's never going to stop.

[alimdia]

snip.

If someone you don't know approached you and asked you to gather 20 stacks of granite, would you ask them how much are they willing to pay, or would you silently go and spend 3 hours gathering granite because the thought of paying for a service seems immoral?

Do you consider it immoral if a player spends 1 hour doing melds for another player and gets a tip for the time spent?

Do you consider it immoral when an NPC asks you to help kill some aldgoats and pays you with a necklace?

To answer your statements about the WoL, side quests are canon, you do work for pay just like any other adventurer.

I also hope you have never ever sold anything in the marketboard and charging even one single gil above the cost of mats, because according to you that would be immoral.

[Nominous]

As for balance.... I will believe it when I see it. I think there is fundamental issues with how they seem to be thinking about balance. In the current meta, the only way to make PLD or DRK competitive with a WAR as an off tank will end up leading to Job Homogenisation with none of the tanks having any particular strengths.

Nail on the head! Exactly my point. Let's say Samurai was Tank like (some) people wanted. Then what, you have SAM/WAR locked, with PLD/DRK both dead for an expansion? It'd be nice for those interested, but then you'd do more damage to the tanking community than good. All in all, the lesser of two evils happened.

[Lexia]

If someone you don't know approached you and asked you to gather 20 stacks of granite, would you ask them how much are they willing to pay, or would you silently go and spend 3 hours gathering granite because the thought of paying for a service seems immoral?

That is totally different cause they are approaching you, not the other way around. Cause most people will either ask their friends or FC members for help before asking some random stranger, that not adversting their service to begin with.