Charging for runs.

[Kosmos992k]

Depends. For some, they might be willing to pay to bypass queues as they might see their gaming time as more important than however much gil. Especially for crafter types or others that don't have much trouble coming across gil. Time will tell how much this catches on, or doesn't. But if someone's willing to pay and it's worth it to them... *shrug*

Well, how about this, if they get help from a tank or healer instead of paying gil for that, pay it forward and help someone else further down the line.

Don't even need to RP as a mercenary, that's literally the definition of an adventurer, that's why they also call us "sellswords", people hire adventurers to do tasks or kill mobs, so I hope people here aren't implying the whole game lore is immoral.

Except that we are specifically the Warrior of Light, not a simple adventurer or sellsword. Other adventurers are certainly sellswords, but the Warrior of light is different. They risk their life over and over for Eorzea without hope or hint of payment, they commit numerous acts and deeds in support of the community in general for little to no reward. That is who the WoL is. Not a mercenary sellsword who won't rise from their pit of a bed unless they hear the clink of gil against gil.

[SDaemon]

I personally would never pay for a dungeon run of all things. There are plenty of ways to level outside of dungeons. The short term convenience isn't worth the gil for me.

[Derio]

Its their money, they use it when they need it.

[Belhi]

I personally view selling runs and things of that ilk as exploiting other players.

When I set up my guild (before FFXIV), we were a group known for helping others for the sake of helping and playing for the enjoyment of the game. Coming to FFXIV, that core aspect of the guild is inherent in our Free Company. In my opinion exploiting other players is disrespectful of them. I understand the point of view that there is a potential market, but at the same time I see that more as an opportunity to help others and perhaps make a friend or two along the way.

I will not exploit others for personal gain. That really is what selling runs is, exploiting others for personal gain.

I'm not going to sell runs because I am going to be too busy with the expansion content and I already will be running a lot of dungeons with my FC. The role imbalance, at least during levelling, will exist in my FC as well.

The reality is that the two dps thing is likely to trigger a substancial imbalance early on. That isn't on me. SE set up that situation and as a player, healers and tanks shouldn't be the ones who have to go out of their way to mitigate it. As mercenary as it is, it is probably better for dps players if there is tanks and healers selling runs because likely the tanks and healers doing that wouldn't be running those dungeons again otherwise and any dps they take through are dps others in queue don't have to compete with.

I said before tanks and healers are going to run as many dungeons as they feel like doing. Doing any more than that will in most cases require some incentive, either from a sense of duty to FC members and friends, feeling good about helping random people or getting some kind of material reward. For many, the second one isn't particularly motivating. For better or worse its likely going to be better for dps players if there are people hiring out there services than if it didn't happen. If it didn't all they would have is long queue times with no recourse.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

This is a bit of a rant, but...
It's amazing to me that this game used to be considered the friendliest among the the mmo community, especially compared to WoW's. I don't see anything from this idea, other than toxicity. How selfish is to want to charge other players to do a basic aspect of the game, just because the role you wanted isn't in the expansion. It's not all about you. I've Tanked, Healed, and DPS and not once has it occurred to me to charge players to do a run with them. If players mess up, tell them. Repeat if you have to. If you don't do that as a mentor, you don't deserve to be one. The fact that players say "BONUS TOMES," when someone says they're new or how tanks now want to rush though the start of dungeon, before the healer could even cast protect says a lot.

[Aerowaffle]

This is a bit of a rant, but...
It's amazing to me that this game used to be considered the friendliest among the the mmo community, especially compared to WoW's. I don't see anything from this idea, other than toxicity. How selfish is to want to charge other players to do a basic aspect of the game, just because the role you wanted isn't in the expansion. It's not all about you. I've Tanked, Healed, and DPS and not once has it occurred to me to charge players to do a run with them. If players mess up, tell them. Repeat if you have to. If you don't do that as a mentor, you don't deserve to be one. The fact that players say "BONUS TOMES," when someone says they're new or how tanks now want to rush though the start of dungeon, before the healer could even cast protect says a lot.

I kinda doubt this discussion is entirely about the scorn of not having a new tank/healer class, but more about the obvious queue discrepancy that will demolish DF for a while when people flock to the new classes to try them out.

You call it selfish, I call it business-like. There will be a skyrocketing demand for healers and tanks while everyone is trying out the new classes. These people who would be charging gil for their healing/tanking service would likely just not queue if they were prevented in some way from charging gil or if the going-rate of a run was worth less than their time.

No, I would actually consider it selfish if you expected tanks and healers to go out of their way and queue for DF when they didn't really want to. You always have the option of not buying queues from these people selling them. I don't believe you can trade in the middle of the dungeon so the tank that's already in the dungeon with you isn't going to demand payment.

[Belhi]

This is a bit of a rant, but...
It's amazing to me that this game used to be considered the friendliest among the the mmo community, especially compared to WoW's. I don't see anything from this idea, other than toxicity. How selfish is to want to charge other players to do a basic aspect of the game, just because the role you wanted isn't in the expansion. It's not all about you. I've Tanked, Healed, and DPS and not once has it occurred to me to charge players to do a run with them. If players mess up, tell them. Repeat if you have to. If you don't do that as a mentor, you don't deserve to be one. The fact that players say "BONUS TOMES," when someone says they're new or how tanks now want to rush though the start of dungeon, before the healer could even cast protect says a lot.

I would argue the flipside of that is why is it that Healers and Tanks have to go out of there way to do charity runs of dungeons for dps because SE made a decision that lead to an imbalance? How is that any less selfish by any dps that expect it?

I am pretty neutral on this but my biggest concern at launch is that I am going to end up getting constant nagging by dps who are tired of waiting over 30 minutes for dungeon queues. That is going to annoy me enough to seriously diminish my enjoyment of the launch. I like healing but not grinding the same dungeons all day when an expansion has just launched. If this issue happens its SE that caused it to happen and frankly as a paying customer it isn't on me to fix it, particularly if it is going to negatively effect my experience.

[Rennies]

This is against the ToS and is reportable/ban-able. You are not allowed to sell any kind of that content; ie. dungeons, mounts, raids. for gil.

I always see people buying clears of Extreme/Savage and even leveling dungeons for gil. Nothing wrong with it, they want to use their hard earned gil to obtain a service from someone else (in this case, faster queues and leveling). I've also never seen anyone banned for it, they're still advertising occasionally. It's probably the same as house selling.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I would argue the flipside of that is why is it that Healers and Tanks have to go out of there way to do charity runs of dungeons for dps because SE made a decision that lead to an imbalance?

I'm sorry, but what imbalance? There's already more DPS jobs than tanks or healers. Even if you subtract RDM and SAM, that still would leave players trying to take 7 DPS from 60 to 70, alongside 3 tanks and 3 healers. Yes, some are worried that queues will be imbalanced because of two new DPS, but remember that SO many people were hyped to level DRK (when one of each job was released) that tank queues were slow and DPS were instant. The imbalance won't be due to new jobs of one type being added, but the number of players trying to play it. . . And keep in mind, some people aren't going to level the new jobs right away, or perhaps will focus on their main jobs first.

We'll be just fine. Some people will try to sell runs, but I honestly see them sitting in the PF while others are just leveling for free, without them.

[EusisLandale]

This is against the ToS and is reportable/ban-able. You are not allowed to sell any kind of that content; ie. dungeons, mounts, raids. for gil.

I'm not seeing anything of the sort looking through it. Could you be specific on where it is in there?