Charging for runs.

[EusisLandale]

Nope not against the rules because it constitutes a fair compensation for commitment of time and skill. The only time its against the ToS is if the sellers take the gil and do NOT provide the service, or conversely, the buyer refuses to pay gil. In both situations the party which does not honor the agreement will be punished.

I'm well aware, was just making the point that "it goes unpunished" isn't the best argument when compared to "there is no rule to punish over", given that at the time the claim that it was a violation had yet to be deleted. That and ToSs sometimes have things in odd places so giving the benefit of the doubt.

[Belhi]

Nail on the head! Exactly my point. Let's say Samurai was Tank like (some) people wanted. Then what, you have SAM/WAR locked, with PLD/DRK both dead for an expansion? It'd be nice for those interested, but then you'd do more damage to the tanking community than good. All in all, the lesser of two evils happened.

Simple. If SAM is a dps style tank like WAR, make WAR and SAM noticeably worse MTing. Make it so they cant use defensive CDs in DPS stance or offensive CDs in Tanking stance. This way while they are capable of MTing, their dps is noticeably weaker when being hit by the boss and switching to DPS stance is inherently risky since while in DPS stance they lose all access to mitigation. It means you usually wont want a PLD or DRK in an OT position but on the flipside you won't want a WAR or SAM in the MT. Thus you only really need to balance WAR vs SAM and PLD vs DRK.

On of the biggest issues with balancing tanks and healers is that people don't seem to get that there are two types of both classes. Each role has two sub roles. SCH doesn't compete with WHM because SCH cant fill WHM's role. You will never lose your WHM role to a SCH. This is why its such a mess. They are trying to balance 3 jobs for to different roles while leaving them with unique strengths and weaknesses. That isn't ever going to work.

This is why I am sceptical. You cant balance all the tanks and healers perfectly with each other and keep them unique. You either have them become pretty much the same but with different themes or you specialise them. You cant do both.

[Sylve]

I'm gonna offer to run SAMs and RDMs for free every time i see someone trying to sell a queue.

[Belhi]

I'm gonna offer to run SAMs and RDMs for free every time i see someone trying to sell a queue.

I there is a tank/healer shortage I think this would likely have very little impact on the run sellers business.

[Sylve]

I there is a tank/healer shortage I think this would likely have very little impact on the run sellers business.

It will when all those SAMs and RDMs start spreading the word on free tank queues :P

[alimdia]

That is totally different cause they are approaching you, not the other way around. Cause most people will either ask their friends or FC members for help before asking some random stranger, that not adversting their service to begin with.

I don't see how it's different, but for the sake of this discussion let's say it's the other way around, a gatherer in PF seeking orders, is that immoral and exploitative?

[EusisLandale]

It will when all those SAMs and RDMs start spreading the word on free tank queues :P

One of each, no queue, two of each one of each has an effective queue of 15-20 minutes maybe more, and so on. One free tank won't help much.

[Aerowaffle]

I'm gonna offer to run SAMs and RDMs for free every time i see someone trying to sell a queue.

That's your prerogative.

But I doubt it will make too much of an impact since you're only one person that can't stay available 24/7. Compared to the sudden spike in demand for tanks once the expansion hits, one person giving their services for free because of spite is just a drop in the bucket.

[Lewtskie]

That's your prerogative.

But I doubt it will make too much of an impact since you're only one person that can't stay available 24/7. Compared to the sudden spike in demand for tanks once the expansion hits, one person giving their services for free because of spite is just a drop in the bucket.

Better than people keeping out of the DF and only selling runs out of spite of no new tank as some have admitted to in this thread.

Shoot, I'll join in on it too. Most of the folks in my FC rock a tank, I'll see if they'd be willing too.

[Aerowaffle]

Compared to people keeping out of the DF and only selling runs out of spite of no new tank as some have admitted to in this thread?

Shoot, I'll join in on it too. Most of the folks in my FC rock a tank, I'll see if they'd be willing too.

I'm referring to the spike in demand for tanks (and healers) because the inevitable wave of players trying out the new classes. The people who are spitefully avoiding DF to charge money because they're upset about the classes is also likely to be extremely small compared to the new demand for tanks and healers.

The only way people are going to be willing to sell queues as tank or healer is if there is a market for it. If the queue times hit ungodly levels, there will be some people willing to spend Gil to make it go faster. And players like making Gil.