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    Miste's Avatar
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    Miste Vaer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Narcotics View Post
    Gonna be honest here. This is a total non-issue. There are enough ways to avoid this that the devs shouldn't have to play mommy and daddy. I had this happen to me once during an A10 run and it wasn't a big deal. We got through it with no issues and went on with our lives afterwards.
    So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped multiple times or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

    What would you do then?
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

    What would you do then?
    They won't accept your point of view until it happens to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    They won't accept your point of view until it happens to them.
    Pretty much. And I'm speaking for myself included. Now, I wouldn't use the term "accept." Moreso leaning towards "relate" all the while being able to understand. I've tanked before, I know what it's like to need to be in good condition to run EX content. I also know the importance of VIT and knowing my buttons. But, I DPS because I realized I cared much more about the world and story over raids.
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    Dacien Valtin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clethoria View Post
    Pretty much. And I'm speaking for myself included. Now, I wouldn't use the term "accept." Moreso leaning towards "relate" all the while being able to understand. I've tanked before, I know what it's like to need to be in good condition to run EX content. I also know the importance of VIT and knowing my buttons. But, I DPS because I realized I cared much more about the world and story over raids.
    You do realise you've been arguing for the opposite of what has been talked about in this thread right? You are one of the people I think the person you responded to was talking about.
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    Player Clethoria's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    You do realise you've been arguing for the opposite of what has been talked about in this thread right? You are one of the people I think the person you responded to was talking about.
    No, my original post was about how the lala earned that penalty and why I think the simplest solution is to not use DF at all. Then you wanted to argue about why you think that I'm wrong for building perfection right off the bat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clethoria View Post
    No, my original post was about how the lala earned that penalty and why I think the simplest solution is to not use DF at all. Then you wanted to argue about why you think that I'm wrong for building perfection right off the bat.
    You really need to read more before you post if I'm being honest...
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    Player Clethoria's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    You really need to read more before you post if I'm being honest...
    So now you want to attack my reading because?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clethoria View Post
    No, my original post was about how the lala earned that penalty and why I think the simplest solution is to not use DF at all. Then you wanted to argue about why you think that I'm wrong for building perfection right off the bat.
    All you did was personal attack me because you do not know what it is like healing unacceptable gear. it is stressful, I am tried of dealing with it because trolls do not care, are lazy, or doing it on purpose to troll. I am also tried of meeting 4 day level 50+ power levelers in unacceptable gear because the system lets them, it shouldn't and these people should be engorged to invest the time to gearing.

    You did offend me, insulted me, because you think I should not to be allowed to use a game function because it allows people to enter dungeons they have no business being in with the gear they are using. Your original post was a troll post, trying to sir the pot, all it was. It is attitudes like yours, that prevents needing fixes, and for what? to act high and mighty? what is the reason for this toxicity?
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 02-27-2017 at 05:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miste View Post
    So...the party you had happen to be able to carry the person who had the improper weapon then...but what if this happened and you didn't get through it with no issues? What if you wiped multiple times or are unable to clear due to the DF not properly screening gear... is it still a non-issue then too?

    What would you do then?
    Has happened to me, as I've mentioned before I had a WHM using a 145 weapon in Gubal Hard. Was impossible to keep the tank alive even though he was doing normal pulls (one pack at a time). Had to boot the healer.

    So people who say it's a non-issue clearly have never encountered this situation, or they have but it was dps and therefore acceptable.
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    King Canadane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog2204 View Post
    Has happened to me, as I've mentioned before I had a WHM using a 145 weapon in Gubal Hard. Was impossible to keep the tank alive even though he was doing normal pulls (one pack at a time). Had to boot the healer.

    So people who say it's a non-issue clearly have never encountered this situation, or they have but it was dps and therefore acceptable.
    Honestly I could probably reliably keep a tank doing small pulls alive with an even weaker weapon. Surprisingly gear may affect raw numbers but player skill it does not. I mean yeah it probably easy to say "oh his gear was low" but chances are so was his skill level.
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