[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[Vivi_Bushido]

You still cleared didn't you? Gosh, stop being such an elitist.

I might consider this complaint more valid if you hadn't also cleared the instance. You're talking about imposing strict restrictions on by-definition casual content.

I think your over reacting as long as you cleared a dungeon it's not an issue at all.

So what I'm getting from this post is "It's a problem if we clear something because it wasn't run the way I think it should have been run."

Did yall clear?

Actually, this is completely different...in fact, it's the exact opposite. Would you hire someone having all the necessary skills/knowledge to perform the job but not dressed to look the part ?

Hi people, sorry but my computer seems broken and my eyes too, I'm sure I was reading of a topic about someone complaining he was able to end a duty.

It requires AVERAGE ilvl not actual. And at the end of the day who cares that is the easiest of the Alex runs let the guy have his fun. As long as it did not hinder your enjoyment or cause a wipe let them be.

It's posts like these that allow someone to get away with playing like an Ice Mage in Dungeons.

[LalaRu]

It's posts like these that allow someone to get away with playing like an Ice Mage in Dungeons.

I give you Kudos for the effors to dig 'em all!

Btw, OP is lamenting about a DUTY FINDER group. You know, a pug. A PUG. And, on top of that, of a duty they successfully done.

Tbh, this is more suited to an entitled elitism than a sincere concern about the use of duty finder. It feels to me as "I run with a PUG but I got people not geared as I demand they have to be. Fix that plox". Don't know if I need to laugh or cry.

I saw in the past people "cheating" the required ilevel using "exotic" accessories, but with a weapon, it is a first.

The proposal to require the weapon il as minimal is not viable, because when I level my characters from 1 to 59, hardly happened to get a decent weapon in the process, call it bad luck or anything else, but that proposal may lock away even legit people so it is difficult to accept as a solution, it is not uncommon to get a duty with a weapon not on par, while you are in your road to gear or level cap.

[Nestama]

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It's still a Level 50 weapon that is both 10 levels and 120 item levels below the content OP did. Even if it's just a PUG and even if they still eventually won (though since OP joined in progress, wipes most likely happened), why are you enabling bad playstyle and accusing OP for elitism?

If this were a tank and/or healer (bonus points if two/four) with the crappy weapon, wipes would be guaranteed and no progress would be made (especially in the unrealistic case of two tanks and healers with crappy weapons). A tank with a level 50 i110 weapon cannot hold hate against a DPS with a level 60 i255 weapon, for example. They wouldn't be able to hold hate from a single Cure.

[LalaRu]

...why are you enabling bad playstyle and accusing OP for elitism?...

I had put accent on the fact that pugs are a bestiary and complaining about them is pointless.

If you join in progress you accept to go into the worst case scenario: when everything is fine, people doesn't leave.

It may happen some legit dc or people that must go, but it isn't the norm.

[Nestama]

I had put accent on the fact that pugs are a bestiary and complaining about them is pointless.

Alrighty. I expect you to carry me through content from now on (especially if you join in progress), since you see it pointless to complain about people using a weapon that makes the user mostly useless.
Of course, I won't do that.

[JunseiKei]

Btw, OP is lamenting about a DUTY FINDER group. You know, a pug. A PUG. And, on top of that, of a duty they successfully done.

Only after OP had to contribute to above and beyond their role. It's not as simple as your proclaimed 'people are not as geared as I want them to be' straw-man argument.

[Miste]

The proposal to require the weapon il as minimal is not viable

Who proposed this? I didn't. So maybe you should read the thread? None of my suggestions has said that the weapon would have to be the same minimum ilevel as the content. None. I said the main problem is that level 50 weapons have no place in level 60 end game content.

because when I level my characters from 1 to 59, hardly happened to get a decent weapon in the process, call it bad luck or anything else, but that proposal may lock away even legit people so it is difficult to accept as a solution, it is not uncommon to get a duty with a weapon not on par, while you are in your road to gear or level cap.

My topic has nothing to do with "leveling" content. Level 60 end game content is not leveling content.

Alexander Creator Normal is not leveling content.

OP is lamenting about a DUTY FINDER group. You know, a pug. A PUG. And, on top of that, of a duty they successfully done. Tbh, this is more suited to an entitled elitism than a sincere concern about the use of duty finder. Don't know if I need to laugh or cry.

You have a really rude attitude towards me you know that? Pretty sure I never did or said anything rude to you so I am at a loss here. You just saw my topic and immediately labelled me something that I am actually not so you are treating me rudely over something that isn't even true no matter how much you try to paint me that way.

You know absolutely nothing about me as a person or how I play/interact with others in this game. So claiming that I am just expressing entitled elitism and I am not "sincere" as you put it just proves you have no real argument to stand on and you are just making weak attacks against me.

Pointing out a flaw with the DF system is not entitlement or elitism. Why you would think that is beyond my comprehension.

PS. I am not demanding others be geared as I see fit. I am saying the game itself should demand players be geared properly so they are actually able to do the job needed to clear the content they queue for. There should be a limit (the limit doesn't have to be minimum ilevel btw can be lower but only up to a reasonable point) on how much lower your weapon is compared to the content you are doing because, as I also proved with testing, the weapon matters too much.

[LalaRu]

...stuff...

I've nothing against you and don't want make any personal attack. I just expressed my thoughts about your issue. They can be questionable, of course, and you are free to disagree, as the others, and my apologies if you read it all as a personal attack against you as a person.