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    CGMidlander's Avatar
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    Height Error
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    Jenova
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    Samurai Lv 90
    You still cleared didn't you? Gosh, stop being such an elitist.

    /s
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    Versatile Bottom
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGMidlander View Post
    You still cleared didn't you? Gosh, stop being such an elitist.

    /s
    It sets a bad standard for NEW players. Wow for once im worried for NEW players? What is wrong with me?!??!?!
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    L'yuuyami Oschon
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    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    It sets a bad standard for NEW players. Wow for once im worried for NEW players? What is wrong with me?!??!?!
    Not sure if sarcasm.
    My sarcasm detector is broken.

    ...but the post you quoted had "/sarcasm"
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    Franz D'epinay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrahn View Post
    Not sure if sarcasm.
    My sarcasm detector is broken.

    ...but the post you quoted had "/sarcasm"
    According to my thread, the majority of this community cant detect sarcasm :P
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    ThirdChild_ZKI's Avatar
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    Lace Valeria
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGMidlander View Post
    You still cleared didn't you? Gosh, stop being such an elitist.

    /s
    I'm sorry, I gotta shut this down right away.

    There is nothing elitist about expecting someone to be properly prepared for content, and in a sensible manner.
    Would you hire someone who came to an interview dressed to look the part, but lacking the skills/necessary knowledge to perform the job they're aiming for? If no, this is no different.

    Fact is, even with all that gear, that weapon guaranteed he dealt damage well under par (also meaning that someone else had to perhaps do more to make up for it).
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    Would you hire someone who came to an interview dressed to look the part, but lacking the skills/necessary knowledge to perform the job they're aiming for? If no, this is no different.
    Actually, this is completely different...in fact, it's the exact opposite. Would you hire someone having all the necessary skills/knowledge to perform the job but not dressed to look the part ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Actually, this is completely different...in fact, it's the exact opposite. Would you hire someone having all the necessary skills/knowledge to perform the job but not dressed to look the part ?
    Okay, let's play that game. I'm gonna adapt what you just said to the game itself:
    Would you stay in a party with someone who's effectively geared up to an above average degree, but cannot perform their job or rotations properly? Or would you take the guy that's maybe a bit below average gear level but can perform his job/rotations very well?

    Simply put, are you implying gear = skill? Because we all know that's just not true.

    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    1) It's Duty Finder
    No. NO. NO. That mentality is a large part of the problem itself, and a terrible mindset to have. Savage raid or guildhest; if you're going to be part of a team, come prepared, do your part to the fullest. "It's just duty finder" is the reason why performance and expectations are so low. People expect the worst, so they give their worst. Imagine if the opposite were true; we'd all have better experiences in the DF.
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    Last edited by ThirdChild_ZKI; 02-23-2017 at 08:21 AM.

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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    Would you stay in a party with someone who's effectively geared up to an above average degree, but cannot perform their job or rotations properly? Or would you take the guy that's maybe a bit below average gear level but can perform his job/rotations very well?
    The guy with below average gear (i.e., not properly "dressed")

    But, I admit that I didn't expect such a huge gap of damage output against SSS while still staying above the required ilvl. But, for me, the problem should that weapon is too much important compared to other pieces.

    It would be a fun experiment so test how low your weapon can get before you'd fail SSS, for the same average ilvl.
    Quote Originally Posted by QuinRaines View Post
    Step 2b. "I um don't have one."
    Step 3: Wait for 15 minutes
    Step 4:
    Quote Originally Posted by QuinRaines View Post
    Vote kick has been commenced.
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    Ama Hamada
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    The guy with below average gear (i.e., not properly "dressed")

    But, I admit that I didn't expect such a huge gap of damage output against SSS while still staying above the required ilvl. But, for me, the problem should that weapon is too much important compared to other pieces.

    It would be a fun experiment so test how low your weapon can get before you'd fail SSS, for the same average ilvl.
    Quote Originally Posted by QuinRaines View Post
    Step 2b. "I um don't have one."
    Problem solved
    Step 3: Wait for 15 minutes
    Step 4:
    Quote Originally Posted by QuinRaines View Post
    " Vote kick has been commenced.
    How come we have to wait 5 minutes to kick someone?

    I tank did a countdown for Alexander normal, DPS times CD use with it, attack lands on the "start" tank yells at DPS for "not being ready" because someone else wanted to do a ready check after the countdown. Tank lets DPS in question die as they continue to flame them. Group wipes to the DPS check (OH GEE I wonder why) The DPS that died tried to do a yolo speed up attempt and use LB, tank calls out the DPS for "intentionally trying to wipe the group" Then the group does the fight again before the 5 minute timer was up.

    We shouldn't have to fight with someone for being toxic and being THE CAUSE for a wipe because people do not want to wait.

    So what I like to know is
    Why change feast for toxicity when nothing is done to PvE to fight it
    Why isn't there stricter gear checks for the DF when it is needed
    Why the kick system does not work well and easily abused.
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 02-24-2017 at 03:17 AM.

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    Lineage Razor
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    As was stated, the individual in this example most likely had the ARR relic equipped by mistake. And while it'd be great if the game took steps to prevent mistakes like this, it's not as though this is some kind of epidemic. Incidents like this are incredibly rare - this is the first time I've ever seen something like this, and you KNOW that if it was happening a lot folks on the forums would be in a froth about it.

    A much more serious issue, I think, is that the game allows jobs to equip inappropriate accessories. I suppose it's a thing so that folks learning new content can equip VIT accessories for the extra survivability - but I don't think they're often used that way. Instead, folks equip inappropriate accessories either because they're new to the game and think having diverse stats is a good thing, or they are using them to meet ilvl requirements on a secondary job without having to shell out for additional gear. Both of those situations should be discouraged.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    I'm sorry, I gotta shut this down right away.
    See the /s at the end of the post you quoted and responded to? That stands for /sarcasm. The person you quoted does not actually believe what they wrote, and was being sarcastic.
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