[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[Ama_Hamada]

No, my original post was about how the lala earned that penalty and why I think the simplest solution is to not use DF at all. Then you wanted to argue about why you think that I'm wrong for building perfection right off the bat.

All you did was personal attack me because you do not know what it is like healing unacceptable gear. it is stressful, I am tried of dealing with it because trolls do not care, are lazy, or doing it on purpose to troll. I am also tried of meeting 4 day level 50+ power levelers in unacceptable gear because the system lets them, it shouldn't and these people should be engorged to invest the time to gearing.

You did offend me, insulted me, because you think I should not to be allowed to use a game function because it allows people to enter dungeons they have no business being in with the gear they are using. Your original post was a troll post, trying to sir the pot, all it was. It is attitudes like yours, that prevents needing fixes, and for what? to act high and mighty? what is the reason for this toxicity?

[JunseiKei]

LOL. Wow. The adds can kill you before a healer can get one heal off.

"Alright, who wants to run with me!? I can queue in DF, so clearly this is acceptable!"

[ToasterMan]

LOL. Wow. The adds can kill you before a healer can get one heal off.

"Alright, who wants to run with me!? I can queue in DF, so clearly this is acceptable!"

As a healer I'd seriously try to heal you in that. Just to see if it was possible.

[Miste]

LOL. Wow. The adds can kill you before a healer can get one heal off.

"Alright, who wants to run with me!? I can queue in DF, so clearly this is acceptable!"

lol yeah it is pretty insane that the game lets you do that. I mean I'm sure most sane people wouldn't do it...but the idea that someone could do it if they wanted to is just crazy. I have less VIT than a tank around level 40 yet I just queued for a level 60 dungeon D:

[Ama_Hamada]

As a healer I'd seriously try to heal you in that. Just to see if it was possible.

I do not think you can, because that is pretty much a 1 hit ko.

AST needs a pema light speed to try
WHM would run out of MP cure bombing/precsting cure II
SCH would run out of stacks at some point and die from not being able keep up.

Notice how the toxic one is lacking replies of late. This is why people actually need to walk the shoes in other roles. I am a bit stunned they would need to check someone's gear to see that huge of an issue. At the very least you could not do pulls what people are used to seeing then have that same person go "pull bigger!"

Only way be remotely possible is hoping things die within 3 holy aoe stuns.

[Averax]

i worry for this community sometimes

Being asked to have an appropriate level weapon is now "elitism" and everything's fine because "you cleared it anyway"

[AlphaFox]

i worry for this community sometimes

Being asked to have an appropriate level weapon is now "elitism" and everything's fine because "you cleared it anyway"

I think the main issue is people want to take things to far in extremes. There is no such thing as a middle ground. Its not elitism, its common sense you wear your best armor and the issue seems to be we are happy to just accept bottom of the barrel instead of tossing it out. Not saying he needs to be in full 270 topping the DPS charts, but its obvious they are fine being ranked last and everyone else just shrugs and accepts it. Kind of the same anywhere, either it be healers, tanks, or dps. If we allow them to keep doing stuff we know is wrong or not helping, they will keep doing it.

[Ama_Hamada]

I think the main issue is people want to take things to far in extremes. There is no such thing as a middle ground. Its not elitism, its common sense you wear your best armor and the issue seems to be we are happy to just accept bottom of the barrel instead of tossing it out. Not saying he needs to be in full 270 topping the DPS charts, but its obvious they are fine being ranked last and everyone else just shrugs and accepts it. Kind of the same anywhere, either it be healers, tanks, or dps. If we allow them to keep doing stuff we know is wrong or not helping, they will keep doing it.

That is exactly why I told the group I was in this morning it is either the dragon goes or I do. Vote failed so I left. I was not doing this because I am "elitist" I want to get across bypassing the DF level check should be viewed as unacceptable. I do not care if it is passable, by putting increased burden on 3 others, it isn't right. I am just sick of it this point. I'll take a 30 if it helps people learn something. Though I disagree I get a penalty for doing that, and that is why I am here. The gear check needs adjustments. It was always a problem but I speak out now because enough is enough and it keeps happening more and more because what exactly what you said that I bold. The system allows them so they think it is fine.

Guess what? it isn't, stop stressing healers because you are too lazy to gear appropriately.

i worry for this community sometimes

Being asked to have an appropriate level weapon is now "elitism" and everything's fine because "you cleared it anyway"

They expect mentors to do all the carrying.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

Happened to me in the 50 roulette, Amdapor Hard with a BLM that not only had a lvl 17 weapon, but also mostly gathering accessories and a lvl 27 shield, even without parsing, it was clear their contribution was absolutely pathetic and detrimental to the dungeon (they actually didn't have enough HP to survive many basic mechanics) so me and my friend (healer and DPS respectively) had to pick up their slack to get a clear. This is not okay, why are DPS allowed to enter with DoL/DoH accessories anyway? Why are they even allowed to enter with a lvl 17 weapon?

Also, the argument that it doesn't matter since you cleared the instance is a very flimsy excuse, carrying people who are too lazy and/or inconsiderate to pull their own weight shouldn't be encouraged, it is not too much to ask someone to not enter an instance with a weapon 130 ilvls below the par.

[Ama_Hamada]

Happened to me in the 50 roulette, Amdapor Hard with a BLM that not only had a lvl 17 weapon, but also mostly gathering accessories and a lvl 27 shield, even without parsing, it was clear their contribution was absolutely pathetic and detrimental to the dungeon (they actually didn't have enough HP to survive many basic mechanics) so me and my friend (healer and DPS respectively) had to pick up their slack to get a clear. This is not okay, why are DPS allowed to enter with DoL/DoH accessories anyway? Why are they even allowed to enter with a lvl 17 weapon?Also, the argument that it doesn't matter since you cleared the instance is a very flimsy excuse, carrying people who are too lazy and/or inconsiderate to pull their own weight shouldn't be encouraged, it is not too much to ask someone to not enter an instance with a weapon 130 ilvls below the par.

yep it is a bigger issue then some make it to believe, just because people do not speak up about it, does not mean there is a problem. We are speaking up now, and it does need changing.