[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[TaleraRistain]

The issue comes into play with how stats weigh into your overall strength. And sadly WD is the highest weighed stat in the game in regards to how it affects you characters potency, it is a considerable detriment to your own damage (and by consequence the party's damage) when you enter something like a lvl 60 raid with a weapon that is ilvl 130.

1) It's Duty Finder
2) Being a coder myself, if it isn't broken and not going to provide immense benefit to all users then why risk breaking what is currently working? This seems to be a very narrow range of influence, and it doesn't seem the risk is worth the reward.

[Gumbercules]

yeah on some of my A1S farms for anima lights I would run into trolls doing the weapon thing XD the weapon should be made to be the minimum ilvl aside from the overall Ilvl. Honestly idk how to fix it, but it needs to be addressed, specially in a game were the weapons "weight" is so considerable to a characters overall potency.

[JunseiKei]

specially in a game were the weapons "weight" is so considerable to a characters overall potency.

Yeah, this actually irked me the most. Putting on an i110 weapon, I had nearly half the heals I should have. Means that person had [approximately] half the DPS they should have. Made me cringe so hard.

[Gumbercules]

Yeah, this actually irked me the most. Putting on an i110 weapon, I had nearly half the heals I should have. Means that person had [approximately] half the DPS they should have. Made me cringe so hard.

yeah, pretty much. They become at most a "twink" of the weapons intended lvl from the other stats but still nothing more than a "beefier lvl 50 with a 110 weapon, doing lvl 60 content". Admittedly the game does little to push this point across though, and only ppl that have been active with some manner of end-game will even know the weapons weight relevance. SE really does need to fix the weapons ilvl value in regards to determining "entry" into content.

[Vaer]

Yikes, people are actually defending missing around 30 weapon damage and 80-90 main stat compared to a i230 dps weapon. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[Gumbercules]

Yikes, people are actually defending missing around 30 weapon damage and 80-90 main stat compared to a i230 dps weapon. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

"oh look the tank its missing 30 WD, that's ok that's just like if he were missing like 750 ish str or vit, no big <.<" (not to mention the actual loss of vit in regards to HP :P)

[Oscura]

Yikes, people are actually defending missing around 30 weapon damage and 80-90 main stat compared to a i230 dps weapon. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

It's very clear.

I must go on a crusade in Alexander Normal with my Gae Bolg Zenith from years past.

/s

[enthauptet]

I ran into a BLM with i145 staff and i250 gear on in xelphetol the other day when I was on my alt with i250 spear - I told them to get a better weapon. Even if you are terrible a weapon upgrade helps your dps tremendously.

SE really should put a minimum gear piece iLVL requirement in too, average just doesn't work as well as it's intended. It doesn't have to be crazy but 20-30 iLVLs should be fine imo. You should not be doing creator with a ravana weapon, you are just lazy.

[Miste]

Fact of the matter is this was probably just an absentminded mistake by the player in question and not something they were doing maliciously.

Fact of the matter is that has nothing to do with what I am pointing out. I am questioning the DF system design, not the player's intentions. In the end I don't care what his intentions were or not (it he did it on purpose it is pretty sad, but what can I really do about it besides offer this suggestion?) only that the game let it happen and I think it is a design flaw.

You also cleared the fight so it couldn't have had THAT much of an impact on you. Had you wiped due to failing a dps check

I see it a different way if you're able too clear it at a decent pace still with a blm using that weapon and have decent gear it shows to me dungeon are really just that simple. It would have been more fun to see if a healer was doing this however, but if blm was using 230+ maybe shave off a couple minutes.

It requires AVERAGE ilvl not actual. And at the end of the day who cares that is the easiest of the Alex runs let the guy have his fun. As long as it did not hinder your enjoyment or cause a wipe let them be.

Also since so many people are stuck on "you cleared and didn't wipe" I will provide more information that I had thought wasn't necessary because I didn't see how someone could possibly defend using a level 50 i110 weapon in level 60 content no matter if we "cleared" or not. Whether we cleared or not I have no issue with. My issue is finding this loophole in the DF system where someone can use a weapon extremely inappropriate for the duty.

The duty in question was an in progress queue at 32m for Eyes of Creator. 32m? They wiped. Possibly more than once even.

People eventually ditched and I got in progress on healer with half the party missing, but since I am patient I waited for it to fill and I don't usually scrutinize people's gear for no reason either. They definitely wiped just some people got replaced and got people able to carry his low DPS including me since I had to DPS Faust on healer because we almost wiped and also DPS the adds too so we wouldn't wipe.

There were plenty of red flags during the run to make me realize something was wrong.

Faust almost wiped us because it wasn't dying nearly fast enough. So I had to help DPS on healer otherwise we would have wiped right there.

After Faust died we had 6 power generator add sets we had to kill before we were able to kill the boss.

To give you some idea of how abnormal that is even on week one of release of A9N average groups were only getting 3 power generator add sets after Faust died before killing main boss. As of right now the average group in A9N only gets 1-2 power generator add sets.

(Note: for clarification every time I mentioned Faust here I meant the one IN the boss fight, not the trash one before the main boss room.)

So I wasn't personally there for the wipes, but I am 99.9% sure they happened considering the large amount of time lapsed in the duty when I joined in progress.

Again I must reiterate that the speed of the run I have zero issue with. I really don't care that it took 4 minutes longer than usual or that I swear we almost hit enrage (if there is one). The thing I am pointing out is that this is badly designed.

With how SE designed gear in this game the Weapons are just too important to have someone doing level 60 end game content with a level 50 i110 weapon. Simple fact is they cannot do their role properly like that. DPS will do extremely gimped damage, healers will have extremely gimped heals, tanks will have less HP and be unable to hold aggro.

This game works like this: no matter how much skill or knowledge you have if your gear is massively inappropriate for the content you cannot do your role properly. Since weapon is so important a level 50 i110 weapon in level 60 avg i230 content is massively inappropriate.

Just for some more information on why this is true. I just used a level 50 i110 Staff (Laevateinn) on my BLM and tried to complete the SSS for Alexander Creator and I was unable to kill the dummy. I failed the SSS even though I only changed my weapon to i110. My damage was cut by roughly 50% just because I changed my staff from an i260 one to an i110. It actually even surprised ME that it was that much worse! I knew it was bad but even I underestimated how bad.

Rest of my gear was 7 i270 pieces, 2 i260 pieces, and 2 i250 pieces. My avg item level was i240 with the i110 staff on with the rest of my gear (still failed even tho my avg item level is 10 levels higher than minimum for Alex Creator normal all because of my weapon). For comparison my normal item level with my proper staff is i265.

So, yeah, I am not claiming to be best BLM. I'm not perfect or the best, but I am a competent one (cleared A11S and A12S SSS dummies) and if even a competent one can fail the SSS DPS check with an i110 weapon? Not good.

[LalaRu]

On second view, I can tell that we can put bad gear in same league of bad playing, so if the player we got is ungeared or geared but with abysmal use of the class, it is same thing, so no need to add more automatic checks than the average ilevel.