[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

To be honest, yes. Not that I really care that much since the ilvl requirements in MMOs are typically easy to reach but I've never been a fan of them. If they got rid of ilvls I can't say I'd complain.

If they got rid of ilvl reqs, there would be a lot more of these threads complaining about being kicked because they didnt meet dps requirements. ilvl is a way for the devs to attempt to guarantee a successful run of the duty within the time limit.

[Zojha]

ilvl is a way for the devs to attempt to guarantee a successful run of the duty within the time limit.

And so is the requirement to actually be on a Disciple of War or Magic and the requirement to have a certain ratio of healers, tanks and DPS in the party and the requirement to have the right character level for the respective content.

We "could" get rid of all of those and just have people queue as a level one botanist for Dun Scaith. Less "babysitting", more groups that disband before the first pull.

[Vidu]

Gonna be honest here. This is a total non-issue. There are enough ways to avoid this that the devs shouldn't have to play mommy and daddy.

While I see your point and agree that SE shouldnt be "babysitting" us, I would consider this rather as preventing people from trolling than babysitting... yes, you can kick them, but why not make it impossible to see this happen at all? Is having a level 60 weapon in level 60 content really to much to ask? And is it really babysitting when the game doesnt allow you to queue with a weapon thats not appropriate for the content? Do you consider the minimum ilvl we have in place babysitting aswell? (as a reminder: that minimum ilvl wasnt always a thing!)

[SXTC]

He met the min item level in general did he not? Can't force everyone to be equal.. would make the game boring...

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

He met the min item level in general did he not? Can't force everyone to be equal.. would make the game boring...

I can meet min ilvl as tank with less HP than most bosses hit for auto attacks. That doesn't make it Okay.

[Averax]

i worry for this community sometimes

Being asked to have an appropriate level weapon is now "elitism" and everything's fine because "you cleared it anyway"

[AlphaFox]

i worry for this community sometimes

Being asked to have an appropriate level weapon is now "elitism" and everything's fine because "you cleared it anyway"

I think the main issue is people want to take things to far in extremes. There is no such thing as a middle ground. Its not elitism, its common sense you wear your best armor and the issue seems to be we are happy to just accept bottom of the barrel instead of tossing it out. Not saying he needs to be in full 270 topping the DPS charts, but its obvious they are fine being ranked last and everyone else just shrugs and accepts it. Kind of the same anywhere, either it be healers, tanks, or dps. If we allow them to keep doing stuff we know is wrong or not helping, they will keep doing it.

[Ama_Hamada]

I think the main issue is people want to take things to far in extremes. There is no such thing as a middle ground. Its not elitism, its common sense you wear your best armor and the issue seems to be we are happy to just accept bottom of the barrel instead of tossing it out. Not saying he needs to be in full 270 topping the DPS charts, but its obvious they are fine being ranked last and everyone else just shrugs and accepts it. Kind of the same anywhere, either it be healers, tanks, or dps. If we allow them to keep doing stuff we know is wrong or not helping, they will keep doing it.

That is exactly why I told the group I was in this morning it is either the dragon goes or I do. Vote failed so I left. I was not doing this because I am "elitist" I want to get across bypassing the DF level check should be viewed as unacceptable. I do not care if it is passable, by putting increased burden on 3 others, it isn't right. I am just sick of it this point. I'll take a 30 if it helps people learn something. Though I disagree I get a penalty for doing that, and that is why I am here. The gear check needs adjustments. It was always a problem but I speak out now because enough is enough and it keeps happening more and more because what exactly what you said that I bold. The system allows them so they think it is fine.

Guess what? it isn't, stop stressing healers because you are too lazy to gear appropriately.

i worry for this community sometimes

Being asked to have an appropriate level weapon is now "elitism" and everything's fine because "you cleared it anyway"

They expect mentors to do all the carrying.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

Happened to me in the 50 roulette, Amdapor Hard with a BLM that not only had a lvl 17 weapon, but also mostly gathering accessories and a lvl 27 shield, even without parsing, it was clear their contribution was absolutely pathetic and detrimental to the dungeon (they actually didn't have enough HP to survive many basic mechanics) so me and my friend (healer and DPS respectively) had to pick up their slack to get a clear. This is not okay, why are DPS allowed to enter with DoL/DoH accessories anyway? Why are they even allowed to enter with a lvl 17 weapon?

Also, the argument that it doesn't matter since you cleared the instance is a very flimsy excuse, carrying people who are too lazy and/or inconsiderate to pull their own weight shouldn't be encouraged, it is not too much to ask someone to not enter an instance with a weapon 130 ilvls below the par.

[Ama_Hamada]

Happened to me in the 50 roulette, Amdapor Hard with a BLM that not only had a lvl 17 weapon, but also mostly gathering accessories and a lvl 27 shield, even without parsing, it was clear their contribution was absolutely pathetic and detrimental to the dungeon (they actually didn't have enough HP to survive many basic mechanics) so me and my friend (healer and DPS respectively) had to pick up their slack to get a clear. This is not okay, why are DPS allowed to enter with DoL/DoH accessories anyway? Why are they even allowed to enter with a lvl 17 weapon?Also, the argument that it doesn't matter since you cleared the instance is a very flimsy excuse, carrying people who are too lazy and/or inconsiderate to pull their own weight shouldn't be encouraged, it is not too much to ask someone to not enter an instance with a weapon 130 ilvls below the par.

yep it is a bigger issue then some make it to believe, just because people do not speak up about it, does not mean there is a problem. We are speaking up now, and it does need changing.