[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[JunseiKei]

Weren't people able to enter Duties with Crafting/Gathering accessories? or rather, entirely dressed in Crafting/Gathering gear? Or are they still able to?

They had been able to until 1) SE made it so if the gear was so far under the ilevel for the dungeon, no EXP was gained (cannot SB) and 2) locked newer gear to Discipline of Land or Hand. Before that, yes, it was fairly common to see people in half crafting or gathering gear to SB for materia. It was incredibly frustrating.

If the same player came with i110 head, hands, and feet, no one would even have noticed...

People are only bitching about this coz it's a weapon, if it was any other piece, it wouldn't matter at all.

Then you come across someone like me who says, "Dude. Why the hell are you using something that's 60 main stat below the minimum?" if it was an accessory, then probably kick them after advising them that they still need to gear up and this as not the current place to use to gear up.

While I'm sure the last sentence was sarcasm, Underdog2204 was pointing out a valid observation. People tend to overlook DPS unless things go wrong, like failing a DPS check. Which can imply various things, including, but not limited to:

1) multiple DPS are under-geared;
2) one DPS is severely under-geared to the point others are unable to make up the loss;
3) everyone's gear is fine, but they are not utilizing things correctly).

It's much easier to pick up on if a tank is under-geared (HP being below thresholds that are common) or if a healer is ill-equipped and struggling to keep the party up.

However, yes, it's all the more important in this situation since the weapon caps your other stats. As it's been stated before, and I'll use my own experience testing it, with all 270 gear but the weapon, which was i110, my DPS and healing potential was halved. Just because of the weapon. That's a huge issue and the current minimum ilevel requirement allows this flaw to slip by.

[Reynhart]

As it's been stated before, and I'll use my own experience testing it, with all 270 gear but the weapon, which was i110, my DPS and healing potential was halved. Just because of the weapon. That's a huge issue and the current minimum ilevel requirement allows this flaw to slip by.

And I still think that your potential with an i110 head, hands, waist and feet and other gear i270 including the weapon should not be miles above having an i110 weapon and all other gear i270. That's why I suggested that more emphasis should be on Attack Power than pure weapon damage.

Yet, I'm still convinced that, if you join a party with someone having a really low body piece, you wouldn't even notice, since the DPS would be fairly acceptable for the fight. Especially on A9 which is pretty low on party-wide damage.

[JunseiKei]

And I still think that your potential with an i110 head, hands, waist and feet and other gear i270 including the weapon should not be miles above having an i110 weapon and all other gear i270.

Yet, I'm still convinced that, if you join a party with someone having a really low body piece, you wouldn't even notice, since the DPS would be fairly acceptable for the fight. Especially on A9 which is pretty low on party-wide damage.

You would notice when the DPS use Blood for Blood and get one shot since body gear also dictates how much HP you have as well as your defensive stats. Maybe not on A9, unless Faust cleaved them, which would probably be more on the OT facing it the wrong way. Probably. However, 10, 11 and 12 get target specific mechanics that would kill them off, especially if it's more than one piece of gear. The harder pieces to notice would be accessories; they don't provide HP nor any real amount of defense.

The weapon will always be miles ahead of the others since, as I've said, it's what SE decided to use as a stat capper. Even if it were another piece, say an accessory, if it somehow decided where the stats would start meeting soft and hard caps, that would be the most important thing to upgrade. The weapon is really the only real hard cap I see (though I could debate critical RATE and just RATE being more toward hard capped than soft). Everything else has a lot of soft capping (AKA diminishing returns).

[enthauptet]

Everyone missing the real important issue...check out those stats lol


Anyway for duty finder content LVL 60 content should require LVL 60 gear. If you have LVL 50 gear equipped it should bar you from queue and commence (like if you switch job in queue you have to switch back). If you do full party it wouldn't have that requirement.

I have current i270 bis on my monk right now and figured I could shed some light on how important the weapon is. Through some SSS dummy work using i110 Glanzfaust and i110 Gloam Tabard I found that I did 1600 dps with the weapon and 2400 dps with the chest piece. You can see how big a difference the weapon makes.

[Nestama]

It's still a better idea to just make it so that weapons meet the minimal ilvl of the Duty :T
Or at least be level 60 so we don't get people with Level 50 or less weapons in the Duty.

[Kondor]

Its funny to watch your pain in ass, i tested how lower dps will be if i change my 275 weapon to 115 and i lost about 30% my dps and still can beat A12S so like Yoshida says, Casual players can have 270 ilvl and do less dps than hardcore players in 110 ilvl. To confirm this, few days ago i make a new character and beat A11S as "New Adventurer" with crap gear (250 ilvl crafted) when on twitch i can see "statics" who can't beat A9S with full 270 ilvl.

[Underdog2204]

Its funny to watch your pain in ass, i tested how lower dps will be if i change my 275 weapon to 115 and i lost about 30% my dps and still can beat A12S so like Yoshida says, Casual players can have 270 ilvl and do less dps than hardcore players in 110 ilvl. To confirm this, few days ago i make a new character and beat A11S as "New Adventurer" with crap gear (250 ilvl crafted) when on twitch i can see "statics" who can't beat A9S with full 270 ilvl.

Has zero relevance.

You are still doing less damage than you should be doing, doesn't matter the individual skill level. If you wanna show how little it matters then it should be your entire group using them. Something I doubt was done and the rest of your group had their gear making up for your shortfall.

[Ama_Hamada]

Yes this system is bad, I left a dungeon because a dragon wanted to wear vit gear. I refuse to be carrying people that are lazy because the system lets them pass. Also I should not have to take a 30 minute cooldown because of issues like this and allow DPS to be out damaged by a healer.

The current system would be fine if people had self worth and some self respect for themselves and others, but that is clearly not the case, people need to be hand held with stricter and more specific requirements for entry.

Its funny to watch your pain in ass, i tested how lower dps will be if i change my 275 weapon to 115 and i lost about 30% my dps and still can beat A12S so like Yoshida says, Casual players can have 270 ilvl and do less dps than hardcore players in 110 ilvl. To confirm this, few days ago i make a new character and beat A11S as "New Adventurer" with crap gear (250 ilvl crafted) when on twitch i can see "statics" who can't beat A9S with full 270 ilvl.

As what job? and 250 is hardly "crap gear"

[Clethoria]

Yes this system is bad, I left a dungeon because a dragon wanted to wear vit gear. I refuse to be carrying people that are lazy because the system lets them pass. Also I should not have to take a 30 minute cooldown because of issues like this.

You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted, and could have had if you got friends to run content with or even used PF, and ragequit. Yes, you do deserve the penalty.

[Underdog2204]

You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted, and could have had if you got friends to run content with or even used PF, and ragequit. Yes, you do deserve the penalty.

A perfect party would be everyone in full 270 gear, melded and all knowing their job.

Asking a DRG to wear their accessories is hardly asking for the world... I personally wouldn't have taken a penalty and kicked them but whatever xD

I would say getting "pouty" about being expected to wear appropriate gear (not even BiS) is more indicative of an entitlement complex.