[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

[Ama_Hamada]

Yes that's what I'm suggesting be changed. The difference in damage between 1 WD and 1 STR is nuts. No stat should be 25x more important than another stat unless that other stat is totally useless for your job (Piety on a DRG). I don't mean you change the numbers so that the math works out the same way just with different numbers plugged in, that's pointless. I'm saying change the formula so that primary and secondary stats contribute more than they do now and tone down the impact of WD on performance.



It can still be the most important piece of gear but right now it's practically the only piece that matters and that's a problem.

Add to that it's always the most difficult piece of gear to obtain (for obvious reasons with the way the math works) and a rule like you're proposing here brickwalls people who are trying to catch up.

Imposing punitive measures because someone screwed up in an instance (which was cleared anyway) is stupid. It's not a solution to the problem, just a roadblock.

People are carrying on about wanting their party members to show up properly geared.. ok.. but when you're talking about excluding people from expert roulette because their necklace isn't 230? That's stupid. And make no mistake, that's exactly what about half these proposals would do.

The weapon could be 50x, it should not matter, what matters is that it is factored to enter something.

People mess around it to get around it
People enter it thinking it does not matter because they do not know better.

Entry requirements to EVERYTHING needs changing. it was broken at 2.0 and still is. The only difference then and now is how much people care about others are doing. Healers in specific, do not like stressing because someone is lazy/ does not care anything else but themselves.

Also needing to wait 5 minutes to kick someone is ridiculous for some DF's like primal and trails. You need to be allowed to kick right away if someone is so bad they are causing wipes.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

People are carrying on about wanting their party members to show up properly geared.. ok.. but when you're talking about excluding people from expert roulette because their necklace isn't 230? That's stupid. And make no mistake, that's exactly what about half these proposals would do.

Current Ex roulette requirements are what, 230/235? And drops 245 gear? If someone shows up at bare minimum, or perhaps even at i220, fine. It'll be rough, but doable. But i130/i135? No, THEN we have a problem. What I think people are saying is you shouldn't be able to queue for endgame content without at least bare minimum endgame gear. As far as Heavensward goes, that BLM staff was barely starter gear.

[JunseiKei]

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So, you don't like it, that's why it needs to change, despite that's how SE purposely made the system for balancing.

[Callinon]

So, you don't like it, that's why it needs to change, despite that's how SE purposely made the system for balancing.

Really? In an entire thread where everyone is moaning about how calculating average item level isn't good enough for entry into DF parties? This is what you're going with here?

SE purposely made average item level the determining factor for DF entry. But because you don't like it, it has to change.

Am I doing it right?

[JunseiKei]

Really? In an entire thread where everyone is moaning about how calculating average item level isn't good enough for entry into DF parties? This is what you're going with here?

SE purposely made average item level the determining factor for DF entry. But because you don't like it, it has to change.

Am I doing it right?

I asked why you said it needed to change while saying WD is a stat capper and brings balance to the game. You said the difference between WD and main stat is nuts and no stat should be worth as high as 25 times the next, which equates to.... you... don't like it...? I'm sory, that's all I was able to infer.

Also, the thread is pointing out how people are able to bypass an average item level system and still severely hinder the party or downright make it impossible, as per Miste's example here. Discussed solutions are not perfect, but are in many ways better than what we have now, as it's exploitable.

So, no, you're doing it wrong.

[Ama_Hamada]

Really? In an entire thread where everyone is moaning about how calculating average item level isn't good enough for entry into DF parties? This is what you're going with here?

SE purposely made average item level the determining factor for DF entry. But because you don't like it, it has to change.

Am I doing it right?

You are not doing it right. There is an issue here and that issue is exploiting the system to a point where people entering dungeons they are not ready for. I like to know why you have a habit of going to extremes to prove a non-existent point to fight what people are asking to change?

Not only does average needs to be met but each slot should have a minimum .
example (since we found weighed average can still be exploited)
current expert
Entry requirements:
weapon 220+
all other slots 200+
average level 230

it is not asking for a lot, nd ALL as in EVERY DF needs this

Sastasha:
all slots level 1+
weapon 10+
average, level 8

Anything under that, even in sastasha is not functional. I met a tank that was in level 1-5 gear and he was too hard to heal, even for me tying to full time it. It i way too stressful and I should not suffer a 30 min cooldown dealing with BS because people do it because they are allowed to.

We are not asking for stricter requirements to sound elitists, we are asking for higher requirements so people can function.

[JunseiKei]

when you're talking about excluding people from expert roulette because their necklace isn't 230? That's stupid. And make no mistake, that's exactly what about half these proposals would do.

If it stops people from still being under-geared to perform to minimum standards or from equipping things to bypass the minimum ilevel, yes. There are other ways to catch up. People have to catch up anyway when they don't already meet the minimum ilevels even with the current system in place.

[QuinRaines]

Step 3: Wait for 15 minutes

It's 5 minutes, probably gets taken up by the first failure of a pull if it's that bad.

[Zumi]

I ran into this issue as well. Had someone using a 120 weapon in an expert roulette It took close to 60 min to finish since they were on a dps job. The weapon is the biggest factor in damage. They really should make the min ilvl requirement have a weapon of that ilvl as well.

[Blackbird1]

that's very annoying had a ninja get into a12n using 120 ironworks gear his dps was low as shit and even tried to blame myself and other dps for being bad when we were out dps'ing him and the idiot wasnt even doing mechs