How to make the 3rd raid difficulty work

[Reynhart]

Normal -> Story

You know what ? Let's remove gear from that, too. It will reduce gear inflation a little

Savage -> Gear

Ok, so we'll keep it as it is.

Madness -> Challenge

Like Second Coil Savage...which was not a success, and the reason why the dev team decided to put gear in Alexander Savage. Again, challenge and titles alone is not a strong enough incentive. And it's not my opinion, it's the dev's conclusion when they looked at SC Savage population...and probaly the reason why they didn't bother to release Final Coil Savage.

The problem is always the same, if you want people to keep doing your content, you have to give them meaningful rewards...but any meaningful reward will start a whining thread about people who can't have it. (Even PvP gear is concerned despite farming Wolf Marks being super easy...even if you suck at PvP).

There's only one solution : Don't listen to those people

[Arutan]

Like Second Coil Savage...which was not a success, and the reason why the dev team decided to put gear in savage. Again, challenge and titles alone is not a strong enough incentive. And it's not my opinion, it's the dev's conclusion when they looked at SC Savage population...

Again, I'm not against any reward in it. I just don't trust the community for not whining when seeing all that stuff out of their reach, and the devs to not listen to their whining.

and probaly the reason why they didn't bother to release Final Coil Savage.

The other reason was because T9 savage was planned to originally be T9 normal but the difficulty was too high so they kept it while doing an easier version.

[Watachy]

Again, I'm not against any reward in it. I just don't trust the community for not whining when seeing all that stuff out of their reach, and the devs to not listen to their whining.

Let them whine, if you don't do the content you should not be abble to get the rewards that's all.
And if they whine point the feast and the CS, IG stuff that not everyone can have.

[Dualblade]

The other reason was because T9 savage was planned to originally be T9 normal but the difficulty was too high so they kept it while doing an easier version.

To my understanding the reason they released T9 savage was essentially to give the hardcore part of the then current raiders a challenge up until Final was released right?

[Yeol]

I just don't trust the community for not whining when seeing all that stuff out of their reach, and the devs to not listen to their whining.

That is called being selfish.

Here is what I suggest.
- Remove Normal raid difficulty and let Extreme drop things other than weapons, let it drop gear. You can exchange tokens to get gear just like weapons.

[Reynhart]

Again, I'm not against any reward in it. I just don't trust the community for not whining when seeing all that stuff out of their reach, and the devs to not listen to their whining.

Like I posted earlier, in an interview, Yoshi-P mentionned that he won't accept "It's too hard" on what they plan to release above Savage. Even saying that it won't simply be another difficulty but a totally different content.

The other reason was because T9 savage was planned to originally be T9 normal but the difficulty was too high so they kept it while doing an easier version.

I think this existed for basically every turn, even going back to Caduceus

- Remove Normal raid difficulty and let Extreme drop things other than weapons, let it drop gear.

People don't do normal mode for gear, they do it for the story

[Yeol]

People don't do normal mode for gear, they do it for the story

That is how it started but then people kept farming Normal mode for 250 gear and fight over the loot.
If it was really for the story then it shouldn't give relatively good gear with item level equal to the crafted gear no?

[Reynhart]

If it was really for the story then it shouldn't give relatively good gear with item level equal to the crafter gear no?

Yes, it shouldn't...in fact gear distribution should be changed a lot. And I hope it will, or I will greatly reduce my play time because mandatory tome farming is dumb and booooooooooooring.

[Watachy]

Yes, it shouldn't...in fact gear distribution should be changed a lot. And I hope it will, or I will greatly reduce my play time because mandatory tome farming is dumb and booooooooooooring.

Don't worry, nothing is gonna change.

Unfortunately.

[technole]

The 3rd tier, aka "special content" after completing O4S was mentioned in the Frankfurt fanfest live letter.

It's healthier for the end-game community to have another sort of challenge. Look at things now because once you clear A12S, there isn't anything to do for the week aside from doing optimization runs with your group. Plus if you been clearing Creator Savage for months, some groups just get tired of just clearing weekly once they have everything they need for their jobs. By having another layer of content for the mid-hardcore groups, that will keep more raid-tier players in-game longer. Instead of just dabbing in-and-out like it is today.

Again, I'm not against any reward in it. I just don't trust the community for not whining when seeing all that stuff out of their reach, and the devs to not listen to their whining.

It's nothing different than what it is today. You don't clear A12S, you don't have access to a i275 weapon, mount, possible Best-in-Slot gear, etc.. You aren't getting the top ilevel weapon handed to you on a silver platter, not even for free when they add/nerf the anima steps.