How to make the 3rd raid difficulty work

[Arutan]

We all know what will happen if they add any item to that difficulty.
"Buuuuuh It's too haaaard, lower the difficulty or send me the item via mogpost pleeeease!"
So what about just leaving it as it should be, like ScoB savage: pure challenge, with success and title as reward for people to just walk around with it with the pride of having downed it. This way we can have our challenge (finally) without casual to come cry over what they can't do. This will also give a sens in trying to gear ourself with the best gear in slot, to get the savage gear, because you will need all those extra point of stat for the fights and you won't have to think that you will need to throw it away later for another better one.
Also, please, never nerf it. Never add echo to it. NEVER able unsynch on it. Put it as minimum ilvl all the time so that a new patch with new ilvl won't allow to burst it. Leave it as a CHALLENGE and let people who downed it be PROUD of it because there's no other way to do it. Don't break the progression, leave it all the time in the way that you need to do previous bosses to access harder ones.

[Watachy]

That won't work.

You need to put rewards on this tier too if you want it to be at least tried, a build that won't be catched-up by tomes, hunts and 24man raids.
There no sense to waste that amount of time for nothing. If are people whining about it, they should just find a static and do it like other people.

[Arutan]

There no sense to waste that amount of time for nothing.

Looking for challenge doesn't sound non-sense to me. There's plenty of people who want some challenge. PotD 150+ doesn't offer much but challenge, yet it is more active than Hunt or Diadem.

If are people whining about it, they should just find a static and do it like other people.

Problem is that the devs are too sensitive and listen more at people whining and crying.

[Remus]

I like raiding for multiple reason. I won't raid just for challenge especially if the reward is just a title which I would hardly use. I would have the satisfaction and feel proud of beating it but that won't last very long. This would require me to put in quite a bit of time to down this piece of content so I expect something good from it simple as.

[Watachy]

I like raiding for multiple reason. I won't raid just for challenge especially if the reward is just a title which I would hardly use. I would have the satisfaction and feel proud of beating it but that won't last very long. This would require me to put in quite a bit of time to down this piece of content so I expect something good from it simple as.

You summed up my thougts, i like raiding but if there is nothing at the end i won't bother me and spend a large amount of time to do so.
I like to challenge myself and get a special reward for doing so.

[Reynhart]

Challenge is a one-time incentive. You try, you win, you're done.

What they should do, for me, is just say "Deal with it ! You don't do the content, you don't get the reward".

As for unsyncing...well, it's doesn't really matter, you're doing the content months after it's not relevant anymore.

[Arutan]

As for unsyncing...well, it's doesn't really matter, you're doing the content months after it's not relevant anymore.

Hum. Yeah, true.
Well then, put a mount so that it will be relevant all the time contrary to gear that will be outdated fast. Feast has mount for top PvPers. Why not raid for top Raiders?

[ErryK]

People said they wanted it difficult, not rewarding. So just don't put anything?

[Ghishlain]

I know they've discussed making a third tier of difficulty recently and that would be higher than current Savage content. If they do, I hope they add it in as a pure challenge standpoint and just make the content seriously challenging with vanity only rewards for completion of the content (IE, dyable raid pieces, mounts, unique minions and titles etc.) Force a min ilvl sync so it's completely about skill and not about over gearing the content too.

[ShinMetsu]

I'm also in favor of enforcing min iLv.
It's discouraging when you achieve a great feat and 2 patches later people can just faceroll it. Feelsbadman

As for rewards, personally i don't care about those as much.
Whether it be nothing or better gear, i'm fine with either.