How to make the 3rd raid difficulty work

[Arutan]

We all know what will happen if they add any item to that difficulty.
"Buuuuuh It's too haaaard, lower the difficulty or send me the item via mogpost pleeeease!"
So what about just leaving it as it should be, like ScoB savage: pure challenge, with success and title as reward for people to just walk around with it with the pride of having downed it. This way we can have our challenge (finally) without casual to come cry over what they can't do. This will also give a sens in trying to gear ourself with the best gear in slot, to get the savage gear, because you will need all those extra point of stat for the fights and you won't have to think that you will need to throw it away later for another better one.
Also, please, never nerf it. Never add echo to it. NEVER able unsynch on it. Put it as minimum ilvl all the time so that a new patch with new ilvl won't allow to burst it. Leave it as a CHALLENGE and let people who downed it be PROUD of it because there's no other way to do it. Don't break the progression, leave it all the time in the way that you need to do previous bosses to access harder ones.

[Watachy]

That won't work.

You need to put rewards on this tier too if you want it to be at least tried, a build that won't be catched-up by tomes, hunts and 24man raids.
There no sense to waste that amount of time for nothing. If are people whining about it, they should just find a static and do it like other people.

[Arutan]

There no sense to waste that amount of time for nothing.

Looking for challenge doesn't sound non-sense to me. There's plenty of people who want some challenge. PotD 150+ doesn't offer much but challenge, yet it is more active than Hunt or Diadem.

If are people whining about it, they should just find a static and do it like other people.

Problem is that the devs are too sensitive and listen more at people whining and crying.

[Llus]

That won't work.

You need to put rewards on this tier too if you want it to be at least tried, a build that won't be catched-up by tomes, hunts and 24man raids.
There no sense to waste that amount of time for nothing. If are people whining about it, they should just find a static and do it like other people.

Except that it DID work with coil in 2.x - people were walking around with those titles 6+ months before HW came out. Now that savage coil has been nerfed, everyone runs around with those titles like it means something.

[Reynhart]

Except that it DID work with coil in 2.x - people were walking around with those titles 6+ months before HW came out. Now that savage coil has been nerfed, everyone runs around with those titles like it means something.

Do you actually have the number of people that did Second Coil Savage ? It seems to me that the content was mostly ignored.

[jameseoakes]

Do you actually have the number of people that did Second Coil Savage ? It seems to me that the content was mostly ignored.

Doesn't that show there isn't much demand for that kind of content?

[Watachy]

Doesn't that show there isn't much demand for that kind of content?

That just mean raiders don't wanna bother themselves spending 6/10hours a week for a title they won't even wear...

Yes, but why non-raiders should obtain same ilvl gear ?

This...A casual will have the same ilvl of a raider but will never have the same skill without training...
I love how these days people base everything on ilvl. And when you actually look at your parse the numbers aren't that high

[Llus]

Do you actually have the number of people that did Second Coil Savage ? It seems to me that the content was mostly ignored.

No, all I can offer is observation and on Tiamat (very low population server) while the content was still relevant, I'd routinely see 10+ players at any given time wearing the titles. So it did work; raiders that wanted insanely difficult content had it and played it. I've no idea what the large raiding & legacy servers looked like at the time; but I'm sure there are people around who can post their observations.

[Remus]

I like raiding for multiple reason. I won't raid just for challenge especially if the reward is just a title which I would hardly use. I would have the satisfaction and feel proud of beating it but that won't last very long. This would require me to put in quite a bit of time to down this piece of content so I expect something good from it simple as.

[Watachy]

I like raiding for multiple reason. I won't raid just for challenge especially if the reward is just a title which I would hardly use. I would have the satisfaction and feel proud of beating it but that won't last very long. This would require me to put in quite a bit of time to down this piece of content so I expect something good from it simple as.

You summed up my thougts, i like raiding but if there is nothing at the end i won't bother me and spend a large amount of time to do so.
I like to challenge myself and get a special reward for doing so.