How to make the 3rd raid difficulty work

[Reynhart]

Challenge is a one-time incentive. You try, you win, you're done.

What they should do, for me, is just say "Deal with it ! You don't do the content, you don't get the reward".

As for unsyncing...well, it's doesn't really matter, you're doing the content months after it's not relevant anymore.

[Arutan]

As for unsyncing...well, it's doesn't really matter, you're doing the content months after it's not relevant anymore.

Hum. Yeah, true.
Well then, put a mount so that it will be relevant all the time contrary to gear that will be outdated fast. Feast has mount for top PvPers. Why not raid for top Raiders?

[Llus]

Hum. Yeah, true.
Well then, put a mount so that it will be relevant all the time contrary to gear that will be outdated fast. Feast has mount for top PvPers. Why not raid for top Raiders?

There are 2 raid mounts that i'm aware of, A4S and A12S (is there a mount for A8S???) Also, as far as I know, A4S is dead content again (until stormblood when everyone will unsync and farm). So, I don't think adding a mount to the third tier would be useful especially when casuals want to get it later and if it's locked behind min-ilevel. There'd be protests in the streets of whatever idle shire is in the next expansion until SE relented and made the mount available through mog station, adding echo and dumbing down the 3rd tier or making the mount available by crafting 20k unique items.

[ErryK]

People said they wanted it difficult, not rewarding. So just don't put anything?

[JunseiKei]

People said they wanted it difficult, not rewarding. So just don't put anything?

This.

People can't complain about it being easy and expect gear, especially gear that may be BiS, to [stay] gated behind something that was purposely done only to answer those that supposedly wanted a challenge. If they do put a reward, make it vanity; titles, mount, minions. Nothing gear related.

To be fair, though, I'd rather they go back to Coil format and have one difficulty with gear and then the challenge for vanity. Having two difficulties for the same fight just seems like.... a waste. Have had this stance since the first time I heard of the different tiers and now they are making three. *Sigh.* Especially since they are changing the combat system so it'll be "easier" for lower-tier players to play and keep track of things, hopefully to close the skill gap, I am considering this to be borderline pointless.

Alexander wasn't even part of the main story; Bahamut had been. Omega is seeing a return to a link to the main story. In all honesty, Bahamut wasn't too bad of a difficulty overall. To me, it was just mechanic heavy, just DPS check heavy, not too hard, not too easy for the average MMO player. You know, people that have played MMOs for years and not counting those looking to be like world or server firsts. Gordias wasn't fun; a challenge for sure, but wasn't fun. Midas I found to be a good mix. Creator feels slightly too easy again. Creator feels like a good example to aim for a general populace. Raids have never really struck me as being a pick up random people and commence and clear.

[Ghishlain]

I know they've discussed making a third tier of difficulty recently and that would be higher than current Savage content. If they do, I hope they add it in as a pure challenge standpoint and just make the content seriously challenging with vanity only rewards for completion of the content (IE, dyable raid pieces, mounts, unique minions and titles etc.) Force a min ilvl sync so it's completely about skill and not about over gearing the content too.

[NolLacnala]

...with vanity only rewards...

All raid gear becomes vanity gear a few months later, so this is a moot point

[Ghishlain]

All raid gear becomes vanity gear a few months later, so this is a moot point

I feel you've missed the point - what I'm proposing in my post is a vanity only reward that signifies the mark of an exceptional raider as they cleared the highest tiers of content for the sake of challenge. This isn't items for progression through a raid tier to make things easier that will go obsolete after the raid tier is done. This also doesn't necessarily mean gear either - it could be a title or a minion unique to the raid tier.

In fact we don't even need a reward - if the dev team is willing to put up an insane challenge on the table for the sake of challenging the top end tier raiders, I'm sure some people would bite. However just providing some small incentive to partake in the content that is unique from the gear grind would at least make it more desirable too and lure a few more players into the mix for this style of content.

[LunaFaye]

I feel you've missed the point - what I'm proposing in my post is a vanity only reward that signifies the mark of an exceptional raider as they cleared the highest tiers of content for the sake of challenge. This isn't items for progression through a raid tier to make things easier that will go obsolete after the raid tier is done. This also doesn't necessarily mean gear either - it could be a title or a minion unique to the raid tier.

I like the idea but only if it's available to these raiders that cleared the content. Most of the time, these items (vanity/glamour) being added to simpler content (potd,crafting as example). I hear people already saying again that content shouldn't be gated, but I mean it isn't really gated since everybody could access it, if they put some effort/time in it. I would do that content if we get glamour or titles, not so much if it's just minions or orchestra scrolls (hate these things).

[Arutan]

I like the idea but only if it's available to these raiders that cleared the content. Most of the time, these items (vanity/glamour) being added to simpler content (potd,crafting as example). I hear people already saying again that content shouldn't be gated, but I mean it isn't really gated since everybody could access it, if they put some effort/time in it. I would do that content if we get glamour or titles, not so much if it's just minions or orchestra scrolls (hate these things).

I say, let's get epic glamour armor in our top tier raid. Nobody complain about Feast rewards, so if they come cry over top tier Raid rewards, they can go *** themselves