100M GIL taken

[Solarra]

The reason SE doesnt agree with this option, is because if the FC leader leaves, this now becomes a "The lives of the many, outweight the lives of the few." in their minds.
And we dont know how the Japanese players will view this situation.

So I think it would take quite a bit more to convince them

Since leadership passes automatically after a FC leader goes inactive, the 'needs of the many' issue has been taken care of.
I'd be very interested to know if being able to promote above your own rank has caused problems on Japanese servers, too. If not, perhaps that might explain why they haven't taken a look at this since auto-transfer of leadership was introduced.

One thing I have noticed in this game is that Square do listen, players make suggestions here and they do get a response. A lot of suggestions from the forum have made it into game. So I am hopeful that we're not wasting our time here and that somebody will take note, because all these FCs being cleaned out by malicious members can't be what they intended.

[LalaRu]

You guys are missing my point. SE isnt going to change this feature.
THAT is why I said, let's have an alternative.

The only alternative is not touch the promotion permission for any rank, making it useless. I'm quite sure that over-rank promotion is an overlook of the feature and not intended. If intended, I'm quite curious to read their reasons for it.

[Niwashi]

What you are incorrect about is that the feature is flawed. It is not.

While perhaps the tool's actual function isn't entirely flawed (though it could be better), and works when set up by someone who understands it, the interface is very misleading, and that fact is definitely a flaw.

When setting up ranks and permissions, it looks as though they're hierarchical with each rank being either above or below each of the others, but in fact they're not. There are actually only two different levels which the rank system implements. Everyone with the "promote/demote" permission is effectively a co-leader along with the FCs current official leader. And all other ranks are the level below that.

If that fact was made clear, and the leader got a warning whenever granting the promote ability to a rank "This permission is for ranks equal to your own as co-leaders. It gives them full permission to do anything with the FC. Do you really want to grant that to rank <x>" then maybe these kind of problems wouldn't come up as often.

The rest of the permissions work pretty much like you'd expect them to, but the ramifications of this particular one are not made obvious enough by the interface where they're set.

[Kerwin]

Common sense dictates you check rank settings and don't give anyone but yourself promotion and demotion abilities. The fault lies entirely with you OP.

As for restarting? Sure why not. You know how the old saying goes.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

[Solarra]

Common sense dictates you check rank settings and don't give anyone but yourself promotion and demotion abilities...

'Common Sense'? When every other MMO I can think of has guild/company ranks organised on a hierarchy where nobody can promote themselves above their own rank? I'm not sure common sense is any help in understanding a system that is so different from the norm. If there were warnings given, that would be different, but there aren't.
Allowing people to promote above their own rank serves no useful purpose but it does help players who wish to scam companies out of their gil or spitefully destroy FC property like the workshop and airships.
I'm sure the OP won't make the same mistake twice and I'm sure any FC leaders reading this thread will take precautions too but it would be nice to see something done to prevent this happening in the future.

As to not putting large amounts of gil in the Chest, where should you put your company's gil? It doesn't look good when the FC Leader takes gil donations from members and keeps them all on a retainer.

[Keikun]

A big mistake putting that amount of gil in the FC chest.

[Chevronone]

Stop letting randos in your FC. Do you not have a vetting process? It amazes me with some FCs so desperate to just get numbers they'll let everyone into their FC without the slightest care what baggage could be coming with them.

[LalaRu]

Stop letting randos in your FC. Do you not have a vetting process?

Depending the FC's scope, it cannot be done, I mean, if the fc is just casual and all, it have not much sense, and any "professional" griefer may be good to pass it. As I pointed before on a previous post, it is maybe more useful don't give the promotion privilege to anyone than the Master, given how they are implemented today.

Then, when a member asks for a promotion because "insert excuse here", if you find it somewhat legit, it is much more better create a temp rank with -only- the needed permissions and give it to him. If he doesn't like the thing, shady things alert has triggered.

[Clethoria]

Stop letting randos in your FC. Do you not have a vetting process? It amazes me with some FCs so desperate to just get numbers they'll let everyone into their FC without the slightest care what baggage could be coming with them.

It's not so much as inviting randos, it's about who gets the power and a matter of judgement. If someone wants to be an Officer, then they can be. Doesn't mean that they can't be restricted at all. It's why the settings are there.

[Kosmos992k]

Stop letting randos in your FC. Do you not have a vetting process? It amazes me with some FCs so desperate to just get numbers they'll let everyone into their FC without the slightest care what baggage could be coming with them.

Randoms? or does skipping the 'm' save time and effort?