The only real way to solve DPS queues

[KisaiTenshi]

Most modern MMOs today have gotten rid of it. Even MMOs that used to have the trinity. It's an outdated and archaic system that only leads to what we have now. Super long queues for DPS and people clamoring for solutions.

The solution is to design new dungeons that can be run with any jobs and classes. It's not as dramatic as you're making it sound.

No, other game simply resort to DPS burns, and when everyone can do damage, then there is no tank or healer, you just rely on consumables. Your wallet size ends up being the only obstacle to overcoming content.

This game has the Tank-Healer-DPS system because the dungeon crawls are designed to not be beaten by consumables, and are thus level synced so that the difficulty is stable throughout the game's life. I will not say the trinity is better because I honestly did prefer Mabinogi's class-less system before they went and ruined it with classes.

A game has to be designed from the beginning to have, or not have these things. FFXIV originally did NOT have these. Read the original skill lists for for 1.00.

The problem is not that the roles exist, the problem is that people come to the game and have an entitled world view that they should be able to play the content without any teamwork. Hence you have annoying stupid things like green dps and ice mages because players want to play it in a way that it was not supposed to be played.

If the trinity was actually working the way it was intended, tanks would have no reason to turn tank stance off, the second they did, the healer would rip all the enmity from them. If healers were playing it the way it was intended, they would be non-stop casting healing, and the second they stopped, the party dies. Neither of these happen because that would make the game too punishing to the "I just want to be a blue/green dps" people. Like relative to the beginning of 2.0 both healers and tanks have been nerfed to basically being unnecessary for all but the highest tier content. PotD basically made it so that nobody even needs to learn to tank or heal, here you go, go be a green dps/blue dps/ice mage, your skill level is meaningless. There is no skill involved in zerging content. Just keep mashing the dps button.

The DPS queues remain high because players don't want to do any teamwork that doesn't favor themselves. People who play tanks and healers regularly know how to play those roles on most content. Players that only ever DPS aren't willing to try these roles because they don't do big numbers when they think in terms of DPS. There are also other outside forces at work that ensure that players don't switch to tanks or healers.

[JCharms]

No, other game simply resort to DPS burns, and when everyone can do damage, then there is no tank or healer, you just rely on consumables. Your wallet size ends up being the only obstacle to overcoming content.

Not really, other games without the trinity still have tanky and healy builds and are used, but not necessary if you have a lot of good dps so theres lots of variables, but all viable.

The problem is not that the roles exist, the problem is that people come to the game and have an entitled world view that they should be able to play the content without any teamwork. Hence you have annoying stupid things like green dps and ice mages because players want to play it in a way that it was not supposed to be played.

This is exactly the problem, its a very old trope now, and its simply the lack of vision and devs not knowing or unwilling to think outside the box. Though as you mentioned, the trinity here is a sort of hybrid anyway, its a pity they didnt keep going all the way with it.

[KisaiTenshi]

Not really, other games without the trinity still have tanky and healy builds and are used, but not necessary if you have a lot of good dps so theres lots of variables, but all viable.

Other games that do "skill tree" type of builds often don't let you switch without some kind of time/experience/money penalty, thus the incentive is to make additional characters instead. Ever wonder why some games trot out "X,XXX,XXX players!" instead of "XX,XXX active players" ?

FFXIV's 2.x jobs have more in common with FFV and FFX-2, where you have to level up the job independently of anything else. Other games usually make you put points into skills from a skill tree, and that often results in "bad builds" that can't do any content well, or "glass cannon min-max" builds which are good at exactly one piece of content and terrible at everything else. These are also too confusing for players who don't understand the unlock sequences.

Or in the case of F2P games, the cash shop is often designed to be the only way to fix bad builds by buying cash shop items to reset skills. "Sorry you were stupid, please pay 19.99 for an amnesia tonic"

But other games also let you simply make all content a faceroll by outleveling it. The Levelsync in FFXIV is what makes the content last. If you can simply get to level 70 and then solo all the ARR and HW content, that would of course make the dungeon content pointless. Dungeons in FFXIV 2.x+ are a completely different experience from other MMORPG games. Now I do wish SE would tighten up the levelsync/ilevel sync so that it has to be played at essentially minimum ilevel once cleared to get any additional rewards from it. Really, SE should remove "undersized party" as an option at all unless the content has been cleared at minimum ilevel.

[Shurrikhan]

No, other game simply resort to DPS burns, and when everyone can do damage, then there is no tank or healer, you just rely on consumables. Your wallet size ends up being the only obstacle to overcoming content.

Not really, other games without the trinity still have tanky and healy builds and are used, but not necessary if you have a lot of good dps so theres lots of variables, but all viable.

This. And in all but a couple Korean Action-MMORPGs, any such items are on a CD and plenty abundant from general gameplay, provided one isn't attempting to heal out constant white damage they're not avoiding. Deep potion pockets can allow lazier gameplay, but generally will make no difference in what is actually possible, especially given that dps checks in such games usually aren't harsh. Instead, it's the (effectively) one-shots, or bursts of damage too strong for any potion, that actually do you in, unless you're substantially underperforming and don't pull out of range to recover.

Why is there this myth that anything that requires non-tanks to dodge and participate in movement for more than just DDR and spread/stack AoEs, respectively, must be a micro-transacting zergfest?

There's nothing about all players being able to contribute in every way (even if to different extents each) that denies them interdependence. It's just a kind of specialization that can redefine itself over the course of events in a fight -- i.e. in the gameplay -- rather than solely being an out-of-combat decision.

In the majority of cases that amounts to simply added capacity: one can, and is expected to, make use of kiting, suppression, crowd-control, and baiting (more than just depositable/targeted AoEs), all in addition to dealing damage and avoiding or reversing damage (to be) taken.

In every case it's simply an increase to complexity available when people are permitted more than just their pre-fixed "roles". Whether the game takes full advantage of that, or still has the same heights and depths of healing or tanking toolkits available alongside those other areas of complexity, is the only real deciding factor.