The only real way to solve DPS queues

[ZioSerpe]

Look I am not gonna pretend I've read the whole thread on this, is 8 pages and I just need to point out one thing:
In WoW you have 3 DPS 1 tank 1 healer for dungeon and the DPS ques might be even longer than they are here, and in WoW you can Que as multiple roles.
Adding 1 DPs spot is not going to make things faster.

[Xdark93]

as i see it there is no right way to fix the ques they will be crappy regardless because that is how the system was designed for parties or individuals to que up waiting for roles to be filled. the devs are aware that the que times are not the greatest especially for DPS jobs due to the fact the majority leaning toward dps because healing and tanking requires more skill and discipline but not only that there is heavy discrimination placed upon players trying healing or tanking for the 1st time that kinda makes them hesitant to stay as 1. if people were more respectful towards eachother then maybe just maybe this df concept would work but it won't happen cause people no matter what have to discriminate or hate on eachother. therefore the only true viable solution is to take the df out of existence and replace it with something that doesn't heavily rely on other players etc

[vigioX-Sun]

I just like the idea of 1/1/3.
Must be fun.

[Mwynn]

Look I am not gonna pretend I've read the whole thread on this, is 8 pages and I just need to point out one thing:
In WoW you have 3 DPS 1 tank 1 healer for dungeon and the DPS ques might be even longer than they are here, and in WoW you can Que as multiple roles.
Adding 1 DPs spot is not going to make things faster.

You need to factor in that Melee/Ranged and also Caster Queue differently.

The Queue System is hard to understand, atleast in FFXIV, it uses some complex algorithm.
This may be a different case for WoW, may, no clue if WoW Queue System Queues Melees/Ranged/Casters differently like it does here.

Hence you never get paired with the same Jobs in 4-Man Dungeons or in 8-Man Dungeons you may never get 2x WAR or 2x WHM, this of course doesn't count for DPS Slots, only in rare circumstances the Queue System is going to put both in.

And Yes, the DPS Queuetime is going to be extremely brutal as I said before, when it comes to leveling, you're mostly going to level through Dungeons and since the Queue System favours 2 different DPS Jobs ...
It needs to find 2x Groups if there is 2x SAM or 2x RDM Queue'ing up together...

Unless Square Enix changes that, you will not have 2x SAM / 2x RDM in the Group when the Expansion comes.

[Derio]

Queue system doesnt always work like that. There have been plenty of times where I have got 2 SMN or when HW released 2MCH in a group. The system looks for 1 melee and 1 ranged but if it cant find that it will pair 2 melee or 2 ranged given the circumstance.

[LalaRu]

Giving DPS more responsibility is not going to do anything...

It also makes things worse, another Steps of Faith? No, please, no!

[RaphaelDDL]

It also makes things worse, another Steps of Faith? No, please, no!

I thought exactly the same.

[Seidaku]

I think they need to remove the holy trinity. They should add a cross ability for classes like what healers have to swap stats. Rip Str and add it to Vit so a dps can tank etc. Let them learn a variety of play styles and such. Then you can have 4 dps, 4 healers, 4 tanks etc all with the ability to drop out of their comfort zone and do what needs to be done to succeed.

Always wondered why healers were the only ones that had to deal with the pita that is juggling between 2 roles.

[Zojha]

Look I am not gonna pretend I've read the whole thread on this, is 8 pages and I just need to point out one thing:
In WoW [...]

What's the factual role split in WoW if I may ask?

Because y'know...if you have 95% DPS, 3% healers and 2% tanks, you'll have worse DPS queue times even with triple the DPS slots than if you had a 30%, 40% 30% split.

[Altena]

Look I am not gonna pretend I've read the whole thread on this, is 8 pages and I just need to point out one thing:
In WoW you have 3 DPS 1 tank 1 healer for dungeon and the DPS ques might be even longer than they are here, and in WoW you can Que as multiple roles.
Adding 1 DPs spot is not going to make things faster.

I mean that is WoW. The ratio of Tank: Healer: DPS players is probably different. DPS queues currently are roughly 10-20 mins peak, and 20-30 mins off peak on my server. Adding another DPS slot would flat out reduce the time based on those numbers - even if you account for the new people that would queue as DPS because queues don't take as long..

The only situation where this would not reduce time is if an equal number of Tanks decided to jump the queue train back to DPS as there were slots - which would honestly be very unlikely.

Queue system doesnt always work like that. There have been plenty of times where I have got 2 SMN or when HW released 2MCH in a group. The system looks for 1 melee and 1 ranged but if it cant find that it will pair 2 melee or 2 ranged given the circumstance.

No, not always. But there is an algorithm that prioritizes this. You will occasionally get duplicate roles, or duplicate jobs.. However this is considered rare compared to when you get a Melee / Caster.

This generally happens more on off-peak times, or when you have some heavily oversaturation of jobs (NIN being solo released was an example of this, and you likely got more double MCH during early HW as well).

I think they need to remove the holy trinity. They should add a cross ability for classes like what healers have to swap stats. Rip Str and add it to Vit so a dps can tank etc. Let them learn a variety of play styles and such. Then you can have 4 dps, 4 healers, 4 tanks etc all with the ability to drop out of their comfort zone and do what needs to be done to succeed.

Always wondered why healers were the only ones that had to deal with the pita that is juggling between 2 roles.

I am yet to play a game where the removal of the holy trinity truly worked. Guild Wars 2 tried this and to be honest it was a complete failure in my eyes.

I mean if they pulled it off, sure however I would be more inclined to go for a spec tree system, which allowed a job to spec into one role or the other. However this is just flat out too much work for this game in my opinion. You would also have optimal build paths and you would likely end up in a similar situation to what we have now.