The only real way to solve DPS queues

[AlphaFox]

You mean apart from the fact that it might take a lot of resources to make the change?

If your meaning as the core aspect of new dungeons? Then no as it wouldn't be any different than the change they made from Labyrinth of the Ancients which was a 2/2/4 to Syrcus and WoD of 1/2/5. If the dungeons are created with this in mind then they have nothing to really worry about other than maybe the first 2 dungeons being labeled as "To easy" in which they know to buff or make changes in the future ones to make it a bit more of a challenge for 1/1/3. If you are referring to the older dungeons being redone to accommodate (or just keep them as is and make new dungeons follow this new formula), well they are pretty straight forward and I feel either a defense boost or hp increase would be all that is needed for a lot of the ARR dungeons, however I am not a programmer so I have no knowledge on reworking.

[Belhi]

If your meaning as the core aspect of new dungeons? Then no as it wouldn't be any different than the change they made from Labyrinth of the Ancients which was a 2/2/4 to Syrcus and WoD of 1/2/5. If the dungeons are created with this in mind then they have nothing to really worry about other than maybe the first 2 dungeons being labeled as "To easy" in which they know to buff or make changes in the future ones to make it a bit more of a challenge for 1/1/3. If you are referring to the older dungeons being redone to accommodate (or just keep them as is and make new dungeons follow this new formula), well they are pretty straight forward and I feel either a defense boost or hp increase would be that is needed for a lot of the ARR dungeons, however I am not a programmer so I have no knowledge on reworking.

The party limits are set as multiples of 4. The games engine might not be able to restrict a party to 5 members for a dungeon. It might be stuck between having the limit at 4 or 8. Actually making it so it limits to 5 might involve rewriting the underlying game code.

[Mixae]

I always wondered why it was 2 dps instead of 3 in dungeons. Not sure if that would fix it because WoW has dps queues too that are long etc.

[Vaer]

I always wondered why it was 2 dps instead of 3 in dungeons. Not sure if that would fix it because WoW has dps queues too that are long etc.

In some final fantasy games, the parties are 3-4 members. They probably took that and carried it over.

[Gumbercules]

I like the "base" idea you bring up, but i think it would prolly be more plausible if the change was actually to allow the dungeons to "switch" to accommodate 4 dps or 3 dps 1 tank/healer parties. As an example the "traditional" setup is designed around one player taking relatively high quantities of damage from a bosses unavoidable attacks (ie auto attack), but in a 4dps setting the dungeon could shift to a focus on telegraphed attacks with consequences being higher for failing to avoid said damage. (potentially even add a castbar of sorts to auto attacks that you can avoid). Course this system has to also be able to accommodate to 3 dps scenarios with 1 tank or healer, such as forcing the tank solo gameplay to revolve around survival and cd usage and healer solo around "spot healing" centric measures as a base.

Did not really bring up trash pulls cuz even now if you handle a pack at a time you can dps it down while being relatively safe, could also result in interesting use of CCs that atm are quite frankly useless. (and in most cases blatantly immune)

[Belhi]

I don't actually think making dungeons more mechanically punishing will help with anything. In my experience it ends up just placing more burden on the healer. Honestly I think the response they got to Steps of Faith put them off trying more mechanically diverse fights. People just quit rather than try the fight in the end sending a message to SE that mechanics beyond spamming damage at a boss and not standing in AoE was too much work.

[LalaRu]

Don't want minimize the topic, but so far my dps queues were all reasonable and didn't took more than 30min. Even shorter with in progress joins, the only drawback is being put into an empty duty.

Just to say that today we have a much better situation than before, when the hour was the norm.

[Belhi]

Don't want minimize the topic, but so far my dps queues were all reasonable and didn't took more than 30min. Even shorter with in progress joins, the only drawback is being put into an empty duty.

Just to say that today we have a much better situation than before, when the hour was the norm.

Most of what has sparked this discussion is the expectation that the addition of two dps jobs in Stormblood will trigger long dps queues for the DF, at least in the short term. This seems quite likely since something similar happened in stormblood with DRK when dps dropped to almost instant and tank queues actually got longer.

[Vexander]

Most of what has sparked this discussion is the expectation that the addition of two dps jobs in Stormblood will trigger long dps queues for the DF, at least in the short term. This seems quite likely since something similar happened in stormblood with DRK when dps dropped to almost instant and tank queues actually got longer.

My experience with lightning fast Tanking queues early in Stormblood were a result of players bringing their main classes to cap first. Tanks will still tank, healers will still heal, etc... Since DRK didn't start until 30 I didn't see a lot of them in the 50-60 Dungeons until after the first month or so, by which time the queues were back to normal, lengthy times for DPS.

[Nighthawk4]

I wish they could fix the long delays for DPS in Dungeons.

However, if you add more DPS would the Healer be able to cope with healing 5 or 6 DPS as well as the Tank - and the Healer themselves of course?