Zurvan, Soar, and the Community!

[Jim_Berry]

But sadly not skipping soar is half the time not really the fault of the dps. It's the PLD sat there in shield oath with minimal damage going out and the 2 healers doing zero dps.

Stop it! Please, just stop... You're pointing fingers now. I get what you're saying. I mean, I even drop Shield Oath at times, but as it was noted, you're dropping a tank to add a DPS. THAT is when Soar should be skipped, right? That's how it's been. To NOW state that the Healers and Tank are lacking in the dps is going to take this conversation in a different direction.

I dropped my BRD, DRG, and NIN because I couldn't dps hard. Going as PLD, I do decent dps, but my focus, while still trying to clear Zurvan, is safety, so I have Shield Oath up more times than Sword Oath is up.

People almost always go out of their way once they get their clear. We are still progressing, and will get comfortable maximizing once we get the clear.

[Texa]

Not defending them, but I just want to ask: Can you blame them for it, when the group is putting so much focus on players pushing dps?

It went from wanting to skip Soar to overall clearing the entire fight quickly.

First of all, you can edit your post to get past the character limit you don't have to post 4 times in a row to quote people.

Second of all, by the tether phase pushing dps isn't going to accomplish nearly as much as it would in the first minute of the fight. Trying to get into the meat of your rotation as a caster before you know who you are tethered to or who has wave cannon and trying to just ignore the mechanics is going to get people killed which is WAY more of a waste of the party's time then not skipping soar.

[Brian_]

But sadly not skipping soar is half the time not really the fault of the dps. It's the PLD sat there in shield oath with minimal damage going out and the 2 healers doing zero dps.

So I was farming Zurvan a lot over the weekend to finish off my firebird farm. I parsed all the runs.

My DPS on Zurvan is generally in the range of 1700~1900 as a WAR. I was routinely 1-3 in terms of DPS.

I skipped soar only a few times in probably around 30-40 runs. And, this was on a JP data center.

So half the time it's the fault of tanks and healers? Yea. If you want to fault the tanks and healers for not parsing in the 90th percentile while the DPS mail it in at the 10th percentile. From my experiences, under-performing DPS are far more common and far more responsible for not skipping soar.

[Jim_Berry]

First of all, you can edit your post to get past the character limit you don't have to post 4 times in a row to quote people.

Second of all, by the tether phase pushing dps isn't going to accomplish nearly as much as it would in the first minute of the fight. Trying to get into the meat of your rotation as a caster before you know who you are tethered to or who has wave cannon and trying to just ignore the mechanics is going to get people killed which is WAY more of a waste of the party's time then not skipping soar.

In response to the first statement: I'm aware. It was just that I read one comment at a time, then quote accordingly.

For the second comment, unfortunately, full time DPS players have weight on their shoulders, especially in recent content. If dps is a requirement, they want to push dps and squeeze every ounce of it. It is what it is; I can't do it, so I don't bother. A tank can get away with doing Zurvan at iLv250, but the DPS need higher iLvs. The REAL work comes from them, even if people say DPS are lazy. You call them lazy, they become "lazy" to YOU, but they are genuinely trying their hardest, which is why some try to squeeze.

[Texa]

For the second comment, unfortunately, full time DPS players have weight on their shoulders, especially in recent content. If dps is a requirement, they want to push dps and squeeze every ounce of it. It is what it is; I can't do it, so I don't bother. The REAL work comes from them, even if people say DPS are lazy. You call them lazy, they become "lazy" to YOU, but they are genuinely trying their hardest, which is why some try to squeeze.

I never called anyone lazy I said they're getting other players killed when they try to ignore mechanics.

I'm a SMN main and I've only ever ran Zurvan as DPS on SMN. There's pressure but it's really not anywhere as dramatic as you're trying to make it sound. I've been kicked from a Zurv farm for bad dps on one occasion but that was after I switched to Zurvan right after light farming for 5 hours because I was excited about finishing my anima and my brain forgot how to play good.

Life goes on it's not a big deal.

[Enyalios]

The whole killing it before 6 minutes is monumentally harder than skipping first soar. Skipping the first one requires a brain and a knowledge of how to opener. Skipping the 2nd one actually requires solid mechanics, good uptime and knowledge of how to maintain decent DPS over a long period of time while doing the above. This is the reason why its stupid to go full ham on skipping first soar then wiping to the 2nd one.

That's not what I said. I simply said that you CAN skip the second soar and their statement was false

[aleph_null]

Technically you can by killing him before it.

I don't buy that those people cleared zurvan without ever seeing the second soar during all the time they're trying to clear. Chances are their first few kills aren't perfectly executed, with deaths and failed mechanics here and there. Killing zurvan before the second soar, especially with 2/2/4 composition is definitely not easy even for well geared groups.

[CookieMonsta]

That's not what I said. I simply said that you CAN skip the second soar and their statement was false

I wasn't debating the possibility of skipping 2nd soar, I fully agree with you. I was merely pointing out the significantly greater difficulty in doing so even if the group in question is capable of skipping first soar.

[Arutan]