Eye Candy for Tanks/Healers?

[Risvertasashi]

Well, I think it makes sense. The people that play tanks/healers are already playing them. The ones that play DPS aren't going to switch (long term, they might level them) because its not what they enjoy. Other MMO's have proved it.

But AST and DRK did bring in new people to the roles. There are those that play those healing and tanking jobs and none of the others... because they like only their playstyles or aesthetic. It might not be enough to make DPS the 'in need' job (although HW did, for a time), but it does at least help.

As has been said, adding nothing new has zero chance of getting new people interested.

[ShinMoon]

But AST and DRK did bring in new people to the roles. There are those that play those healing and tanking jobs and none of the others... because they like only their playstyles or aesthetic. It might not be enough to make DPS the 'in need' job (although HW did, for a time), but it does at least help.

As has been said, adding nothing new has zero chance of getting new people interested.

Exactly.. lol

[Greedalox]

As has been said, adding nothing new has zero chance of getting new people interested.

Isn't 60-70 potential for new?

Or are people only interested in fresh classes instead of fresh ideas? I believe that all classes have potential to pull players in if they're done right and inevitably the fresh coat of paint that is a new class chips and it all settles into place.

[ShinMoon]

Isn't 60-70 potential for new?

Or are people only interested in fresh classes instead of fresh ideas? I believe that all classes have potential to pull players in if they're done right and inevitably the fresh coat of paint that is a new class chips and it all settles into place.

Fresh Classes bring both though lol. Especially when Samurai and Redmage are super iconic jobs in the FF Series. every class is getting 60-70 new stuff, makes it less special lol.

[Greedalox]

Fresh Classes bring both though lol. Especially when Samurai and Redmage are super iconic jobs in the FF Series. every class is getting 60-70 new stuff, makes it less special lol.

I'm sorry you see it that way, I think your favorite classes deserve your appreciation too as I'm sure the devs are working hard to update them.

[Risvertasashi]

Isn't 60-70 potential for new?

Or are people only interested in fresh classes instead of fresh ideas? I believe that all classes have potential to pull players in if they're done right and inevitably the fresh coat of paint that is a new class chips and it all settles into place.

Ah, but here's the problem. SE wants to simplify DPS rotations... which might imply that we actually have things cut down a bit rather than further filling our already very full hotbars. Now tanks and healers are not DPS, of course, but they have said they want to focus on balancing them too. So, what exactly does that mean?

It's not impossible that we won't get 5 new abilities like last expac... but I'm not holding my breath for it. Unfortunately, we probably just won't know the answer to that question for another 2 months. But my expectation from all the different comments and hints is 'changes' more than 'new stuff'.

Finally, you're right. And the person above me is right. We have 2 super iconic jobs that could pull in people from all sorts of other jobs. While some would undoubtedly have mained DPS already, so no loss... Jobs this iconic will definitely pull in at least a few tank and healer players. How much we feel that... that also remains to be seen.

[RaijinSupreme]

Finally, you're right. And the person above me is right. We have 2 super iconic jobs that could pull in people from all sorts of other jobs. While some would undoubtedly have mained DPS already, so no loss... Jobs this iconic will definitely pull in at least a few tank and healer players. How much we feel that... that also remains to be seen.

But the questions is, is a few enough? Is it worth making Sam a tank instead of a DPS? How is it going to affect the game long term?

I don't know the answer, and I don't think the Devs know either, but if they were going to take history into consideration, its pointing to no. The devs would then have to make the most effective, and honestly the most profitable, decision based on what they have already seen from the player base, and how they interacted with the new jobs that were added.

That's probably why they came to the decision that they did.

[loreleidiangelo]

Isn't 60-70 potential for new?

Or are people only interested in fresh classes instead of fresh ideas? I believe that all classes have potential to pull players in if they're done right and inevitably the fresh coat of paint that is a new class chips and it all settles into place.

Well said. Why are players seeking for old jobs to be abandoned and left in the dust, while new jobs get all the attention expac after expac? Let's hope that Stormblood adds some seriously interesting reworks to our existing tank and healer jobs rather than complaining that we're not getting the same old-same old with new ability graphics but identical playstyles.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Isn't 60-70 potential for new?

Or are people only interested in fresh classes instead of fresh ideas? I believe that all classes have potential to pull players in if they're done right and inevitably the fresh coat of paint that is a new class chips and it all settles into place.

Do you really believe they are going to do something NEW and FRESH for tanks and healers? Because I sure don't. They're gonna nerf AST/SCH and WAR/DRK to be more in line with WHM/PLD and throw on a few new skills. IMO, that is not new and fresh.

[Greedalox]

Do you really believe they are going to do something NEW and FRESH for tanks and healers?

I believe they're going to try. Succeeding is another thing, but I have no evidence to be as pessimistic as you are quite yet. Be cautious or unsure, but it's a little soon to be flat out sure about it.