Samurai Melee DPS thoughts

[Altanas]

Its a bit unfair to release new jobs based upon research into the current battle system which is about to be changed.

With the upcoming changes to the battle system, cross classing and the visual UI, which could end up being as impactful as being a New Game +, you may well find players changing their specialisms.

For example with easier visual UI you may well find a lot of controller players more willing to play stressful tank or healers roles if they can visualise and be as quick as players with mouse over macros.

[Belhi]

Like I said in another thread. Tank and healer mains will still want to lvl up to 70 asap and they'll queue normally. NIN was a problem because it came out on 2.4, way late into the 2.0 "expansion", and everyone already was lv50 (except newbies duh) with nothing to lvl up but ONE new job.

Your assuming that no Healers or Tank players won't swap because the themes of the new classes appeal to them. If they do anything to majorly change the existing tanks or healers could make this more likely if they notably change the feeling of the Jobs.

When Heavensward launched DPS was the Adventurer in need and had almost instant queues for almost a month. What makes you assume the opposite won't happen here?

[Giubba]

Its a bit unfair to release new jobs based upon research into the current battle system which is about to be changed.

With the upcoming changes to the battle system, cross classing and the visual UI, which could end up being as impactful as being a New Game +, you may well find players changing their specialisms.

For example with easier visual UI you may well find a lot of controller players more willing to play stressful tank or healers roles if they can visualise and be as quick as players with mouse over macros.

It's not a problem of controller or UI layout or something in game related but it simply something bound to happen in any MMO.

Player will always play more as dps than tank or healer i don't know why but such is it since the beginning of this genre, and if the devs stop supporting those roles as they did with stormblood is honestly the first nail in the coffin of the life of this game.

[Kit-Kat]

Your assuming that no Healers or Tank players won't swap because the themes of the new classes appeal to them. If they do anything to majorly change the existing tanks or healers could make this more likely if they notably change the feeling of the Jobs.

When Heavensward launched DPS was the Adventurer in need and had almost instant queues for almost a month. What makes you assume the opposite won't happen here?

No, I'm just assuming that not EVERY tank and healer will swap, only a small portion of people wanting to still try new classes. But majority of them will first lvl their main classes so when raids and primals come out, they're ready to go. MMO expansion experience 101. Also personally, when HW came out, I instantly rerolled AST because I was a healer main back in 2.x and wanted a healer to lvl up to 60 first, I leveled from 30 to 50 in less than a day and caught up the 50-60 train quite fast and it was also a new job so it was a win-win, and most of my queues were people leveling their 50 classes through roulettes, not drk/mch.

[Belhi]

No, I'm just assuming that not EVERY tank and healer will swap, only a small portion of people wanting to still try new classes. But majority of them will first lvl their main classes so when raids and primals come out, they're ready to go. MMO expansion experience 101. Also personally, when HW came out, I instantly rerolled AST because I was a healer main back in 2.x and wanted a healer to lvl up to 60 first, I leveled from 30 to 50 in less than a day and caught up the 50-60 train quite fast and it was also a new job so it was a win-win, and most of my queues were people leveling their 50 classes through roulettes, not drk/mch.

If only 15% of current Healers and Tanks make the switch, even temporarily it will make a substancial difference to queues. I know healers and tanks who have said they are going to be levelling the SAM or RDM first regardless of what role they are. As I pointed out before, just look at what happened in HW with dps queues becoming instant. If it happened one way it very likely will happen the other as well.

[Maero]

Not the most happy at all..
As someone who has always mained dps and dealt with stupid long qeue times i am very worried.
And even though i have always mained dps i really really wanted Dancer.We already had enough dps jobs and moreso with Red Mage, sigh
To those that say there will be Palace... Well additions to Palace will only be coming in 4.1 not at launch of SB.
This expansion sounds a little disappointing.

[KusoWat]

For example with easier visual UI you may well find a lot of controller players more willing to play stressful tank or healers roles if they can visualise and be as quick as players with mouse over macros.

Controller players are already as quick as kb&m.

[ShinMetsu]

I admit i'm really really salty at the moment.

As a tank (and i honestly think a lot of healers feel the same thing) this is a spit in the eye considering that we are literally asked to keep dragging the entire dps population with the same classes for the next years.

Yoshi admitted that since the introduction of a new tank class didn't attracted new player to tank role they dropped any semblance of support to other roles outside the oh so precious dps

Why so salty?

Mages were stuck with BLM and SMN since 2.0
Melee were stuck with MNK NIN DRG since 2.4
Tanks and Healer had the most recent additions, 3.0

Why be salty that tanks and healers are stuck 'dragging' dps population?
This is a spit in the eye? really?



On the bright side, most likely gonna get a tank + healer for 5.0, unless they decide 3 of each is enough for the game.
Honestly though, i would not see them add more than 4 of each over the lifetime of ffxiv.
If they had added them now, going by my opinion, we would've only seen dps for the rest of the duration.

I'm a tank as well btw.

[SaitoHajime]

welp the only real choice for me is to either quite the game or switch my main from pld/drk to sam. hoping that sam was going to be tank was the only reason I kept playing and did savage. se went in the wrong direction here for adding more dps that most people will be bad at. yes, I'm salty but being completely honest. guess that's what happens when you have a hipster dev

[Zhamkyong]

Tank: Paladin - Warrior - Dark Knight
DPS (physical): Dragoon - Monk - Samurai
DPS (Magical): Black Mage - Summoner - Red Mage
DPS (support/enminity control/TP-MP regen...): Bard - Machinist - Ninja
Healer: White Mage - Scholar - Astrologian

This is why we are not getting new classes for Healer or Tank in the next expansion.