Samurai Melee DPS thoughts

[Vexander]

Its possible that Red Mage will turn out to be a Ala Mhigan job, while their Monks are most famous its not like their whole military might were just them. It could also be something like Dark Knights, being an Ala Mhigan job but also not used by many for whatever reason lore wise. Given that White/Black Mages are rare as far as lore is concered Red Mages should be too.

One of the more current theories is that Red Mage is Sharlayan. They'd have the knowledge and resources to study White and Black Magic away from Eorzea where people would flip out about it, and the outfit has a very Sharlayan look to it. Looks like it'd fit in with the current Shire Tome gear.

[Marxam]

I think its great. I had my predictions for how SAM should be in xiv and it was surprisingly close. Sound's like a hybrid of mnk (with three stances), and saving up for a strong burst attack (war wrath/abandon stacks). Now the question is how will it hold up to the other two str melee dps. Im still gonna main war but SAM could be my new off spec when it comes to grinding relics.

[EdwinLi]

I think its great. I had my predictions for how SAM should be in xiv and it was surprisingly close. Sound's like a hybrid of mnk (with three stances), and saving up for a strong burst attack (war wrath/abandon stacks). Now the question is how will it hold up to the other two str melee dps. Im still gonna main war but SAM could be my new off spec when it comes to grinding relics.

If I have to make a guess it probably function as a Off-cooldown type of skills like how warrior have their Rage skills.

[Belhi]

Paladin isn't my main but it is my second gear'd behind Dragoon, and is the one I'm furthest along with for relic. Having a new tank (or healer) would have been nice to try out but I'd probably just end up back on Paladin because I enjoy it. That not making a new tank job means all three tanks have a better chance of being balanced (WITHOUT nerfs to Warrior or Dark Knight please) then I'm all for it!

Its possible that Red Mage will turn out to be a Ala Mhigan job, while their Monks are most famous its not like their whole military might were just them. It could also be something like Dark Knights, being an Ala Mhigan job but also not used by many for whatever reason lore wise. Given that White/Black Mages are rare as far as lore is concered Red Mages should be too.

I actually think 4 tanks and healers would be easier to balance. People often divide dps in to sub catagories but in reality the same applies to healers and tanks.

You have throughput healing like WHM and mitigation healing like SCH. The whole issue AST has is it tries to be both and have its own identity without totally supplanting either of the other two. This is almost impossible to achieve.

Likewise WAR is the damage output tank vs the mitigation tank that DRK and PLD are. In fact WAR identity as a tank pretty much is as the dps tank. While it holds that position it will be seen as a sure thing for all groups. More over, the attempt to balance it gives it enough mitigation to comfortably handle most content making the mitigation tank's strength unnecessary excess. This means WAR is unchallenged in its sub role because the other tanks cant complete with it in that role and at the same time making it able to mitigate enough places it in a position where the strengths of the other two tanks hold less value. That is why its fundamentally OP at the moment.

More so in the second one you can achieve balance but risk homogenisation of the Jobs and an erosion of Job identity gameplay wise. In the first case, your dealing with two roles that the existing meta consider optimal and so AST will always be in a position where it is inferior or superior to both making balance near impossible. Either they would need to fundamentally alter the meta or make it so it doesn't have to compete with both healers. If it only had to compete with one or the other you could create very clear advantages and disadvantages to both so it became a real choice.

[Mysticdraggon]

they should probably just give the DarkKnight class Katana/Nodachi themed weaponry and some samurai armor to satisfy the ones who think that the class should be Tank. seems like an easy solution and a great opportunity.

by Nodachi, i do mean this...

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

it would probably require some animation editing so that the blade is faced the right direction per swing.

[BreyVoreas93]

I think its great. I had my predictions for how SAM should be in xiv and it was surprisingly close. Sound's like a hybrid of mnk (with three stances), and saving up for a strong burst attack (war wrath/abandon stacks). Now the question is how will it hold up to the other two str melee dps. Im still gonna main war but SAM could be my new off spec when it comes to grinding relics.

Agreed, I've mained WAR since beta but this is the change I've waited for SAM all day.

[Lambdafish]

they should probably just give the DarkKnight class Katana/Nodachi themed weaponry and some samurai armor to satisfy the ones who think that the class should be Tank. seems like an easy solution and a great opportunity

Considering we are going to Othard, this will most likely happen, whether they are intentionally trying to imitate SAM, or just making oriental gear for DRK

[BreyVoreas93]

That is a TERRIBLE reason to want a job to be a specific role. Assuming you meant you want less people playing Samurai.

It is what it is...at the end of the day most people just don't tank..bottom line. Would have been okay by me to not see 10 full SAM fate parties day one rolling all over western coerthas, which in fact is exactly what we will be seeing. I fully expect way more SAM day one now than RDM. Might be terrible but I would have been fine with it.

[Marxam]

If I have to make a guess it probably function as a Off-cooldown type of skills like how warrior have their Rage skills.

Fell Cleave, decimate, inner beast, and steel cyclone are all gcds but I still have some predictions about that class that they have yet to reveal. I just hope there is no animation lock but judging by that charge conal aoe move at the end of the SAM reveal trailer leaves me worried.

[Belhi]

Fell Cleave, decimate, inner beast, and steel cyclone are all gcds but I still have some predictions about that class that they have yet to reveal. I just hope there is no animation lock but judging by that charge conal aoe move at the end of the SAM reveal trailer leaves me worried.

I think they outright stated that the burst attacks SAM will require the SAM to stand still while using them and part of the mastering of SAM will be knowing when to use those skills.