My issues with PvP

[Ama_Hamada]

I think the real issue is that PvP wasn't even a thought when the battle system was designed. It was shoehorned in after the fact. They've done what they could with the framework they had to work with, but the system just isn't optimized for PvP. The GCD is too slow, movement speed is too slow, there's not an adequate cc balance, class balance just doesn't fit, the format of the Holy trinity that ffxiv runs on doesn't lend itself to Pvp etc. It'd take a complete rework from the ground up that had both pve and Pvp in mind to put it on par with other mmos.

well they said they were revamping abilities and cross class stuff for 4.0,, think there is a chance they will have this in mind?

PvP's biggest flaw in this game is the innate latency and slow position updating. The PvP in this game lacks adequate variety of popular game types and sufficient dev to community communication. Other then that after many updates the jobs are pretty balanced in comparison to other MMO's PvP, not completely balanced of course *cough* mnk *cough*.

Overall is pretty decent, imo the PvP isn't what requires an overhaul, it's the game's latency.

agreed, .5 to about 2.5 seconds to process something is too slow. I am still baffled why FFXI is so much faster in that regard. I am getting tired of being hit by melee LBs though walls and miles away from the person. Hell I was even spiriting already, and running away from a person when the lb sound happened and he still hit me. The lag is so bad aura blast rarely works if people are moving.

[KusoWat]

You don't need to be in perfect unison to kill people through the presence of a healer. The DPS I know can do so by themself and I have proven such in the rankings.

I've never seen a 10 minute stalemate in my life, what elo is this and how can I continue to avoid it?

[Atrayl]

You don't need to be in perfect unison to kill people through the presence of a healer. The DPS I know can do so by themself and I have proven such in the rankings.

We're talking about PUGs, not you and your friend's premade.

[KusoWat]

What premade? Are PUGs unable to do damage? Is a DPS single handily solo'ing a healer somehow also mean premade?

Are you trying to say healing is OP because the same DPS you see in dungeons pulling numbers an eighth of their potential fail to place abilities together that would cause burst damage thus killing said target leaving their healer little time to respond if at all?

Also, about this myth, 10 minute stalemate??

PUGs just seems like another word for garbage to you.

[Atrayl]

What premade? Are PUGs unable to do damage? Is a DPS single handily solo'ing a healer somehow also mean premade?

Must have been a very bad healer.

Are you trying to say healing is OP because the same DPS you see in dungeons pulling numbers an eighth of their potential fail to place abilities together that would cause burst damage thus killing said target leaving their healer little time to respond if at all?

Yes, actually, because the healer doesn't need to do anything special to be invincible, but the DPS need to coordinate together to even have a chance of breaking through the ridiculous HPS healers have.

Also, about this myth, 10 minute stalemate??

What myth? A huge majority of the Feasts that I've done have gone to time. Just about the only ones that don't are when one side has a premade or partial premade and steamrolls the other in 30 seconds.

[Atrayl]

I also want to say that this community seems to be very hostile so far. Please stop with the "git good" posts. Not only do they add nothing of value to the discussion, but they aren't even applicable here.

The issue is that no matter how "good" any single player can "git," level of coordination required for PUGs that cannot even communicate to counteract the existence of a single healer is unfeasible. This causes an inherently imbalanced dynamic that makes the experience for the PUG player miserable.

Most people who PvP in MMOs do so casually in a PUG. That is where 90%+ of your PvP playership would come from if SE wanted to actually branch out into that market. All I'm saying is that, if they do, then the current PvP design will simply not resonate with that group of people and that playstyle.

[Llus]

Please stop with the "git good" posts.

Look, the Healers are OP threads have been going on for ages. If it isn't AST it's WHM, if it isn't WHM it's SCH. Before you come talking about how OP healers are in PVP, take some time to learn what your PvP burst is. I guarantee that if you do that, you'll be able to solo healers around 80% of the time - the other 20% got gud

[Atrayl]

Look, the Healers are OP threads have been going on for ages. If it isn't AST it's WHM, if it isn't WHM it's SCH. Before you come talking about how OP healers are in PVP, take some time to learn what your PvP burst is. I guarantee that if you do that, you'll be able to solo healers around 80% of the time - the other 20% got gud

I know what my burst is. It's not good enough. In dozens and dozens of hours of gameplay, I have yet to see a healer die in the Feast. I rarely see anyone die, for that matter. Just people plunking away at one another, running back when they get to 5% health to be healed to 100% with a single spell. It's out of control.

[KusoWat]

Must have been a very bad healer.

But the 6+ players failing to out damage a single healer isn't allowed to be simply bad, but instead designated as PUGs failing coordination.

Yes, actually, because the healer doesn't need to do anything special to be invincible, but the DPS need to coordinate together to even have a chance of breaking through the ridiculous HPS healers have.

I can't fathom how you can agree that people whom are performing at 1/8th of their potential should be able to kill a healer because to them they are invincible.

What myth? A huge majority of the Feasts that I've done have gone to time. Just about the only ones that don't are when one side has a premade or partial premade and steamrolls the other in 30 seconds.

Timing out in Feast doesn't mean there aren't enough deaths. It's a medal system that exchanges them between each team upon killing others. It going into time out usually means a good game if the ending scores were relatively close. You realize you can either que solo or light party in Feast, correct? There are no partial premades in Feast. Unless we are referring to lol Feast (8v8) that has no balance, and has no intention for balance. Hence no role restrictions. If no one has died after those numerous culling stacks, then there are no words for it.

The Forums community is the group that always feels like people are attacking them when people give them facts/evidence that they are wrong.

Just as there are bad dps that can't kill mediocre healers, there are bad healers that die to mediocre dps. Casual healers exist as well.

[Atrayl]

But the 6+ players failing to out damage a single healer isn't allowed to be simply bad, but instead designated as PUGs failing coordination.

What, do you think they are all auto attacking? Even if they aren't nailing a burst rotation, 6v1 is ridiculous for the healer to be able to heal through with ease.

I can't fathom how you can agree that people whom are performing at 1/8th of their potential should be able to kill a healer because to them they are invincible.

They aren't performing that poorly, healers really are just that good. I can't fathom how you can't see that.

Unless we are referring to lol Feast (8v8) that has no balance, and has no intention for balance.

If a game mode exists with no intention of balance, then that is yet another mark against this game's design.

The Forums community is the group that always feels like people are attacking them when people give them facts/evidence that they are wrong.

You are clearly being overly hostile. No rational person thinks "git good" is "giving someone facts."